Linked by Eugenia Loli on Thu 13th Nov 2003 05:19 UTC
Fedora Core Fedora Core 1 has been out now for a few days now and many faithful Linux fans have already installed it. Red Hat's Linux is still one of my favorite distributions because of one main reason: compatibility with Linux software. Red Hat is a market leader and following the market leader assures the least trouble for most users. But is this the case with Fedora Core?
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by Antarius on Wed 12th Nov 2003 23:13 UTC

Todu:
You're not supposed to compare Linux distributions with Windows or OS X

I disagree. Fedora is being touted as an operating system that can stand on its own merits. If it is to be considered an alternative to using Windows or OSX, then it must be compared with Windows or OSX.

It'd be like saying that GEM Desktop is fantastic compared to GEM Desktop, yet giving no comparison. Anybody that wants a GUI would quickly determine themselves that Windows et al offer a better interface than GEM!


Benabdellah:
Redhat/Fedora developpers/mainteners should concentrate more on FIXING BUGS and stabilizing the system than exhibit each time a new release of Gnome desktop with new features (but with a lot of bugs).

That's not part of the focus of Fedora. Quite plainly, they intend to stay closer to the bleeding edge, being aimed at the desktop user (ultimately). For cleaner versions, you're supposed to look at RHEL.

That's why they [RedHat] are not focussing on backporting features into Fedora Core, as they have done historically.

I, for one, actually welcome this. I hate being on versions of Mozilla that are 3 or 4 versions old, or behind the eight-ball with OOo too.


Re: Flash.
Strange to hear that people had trouble; I used the library straight from Macromedia and it worked fine! Of course, I satisfied the dependencies for compat-libstdc++ by hand first. Why? Because at that stage, the RPM GUI wasn't working (as per Eugenia's review.)

Speaking of which, Eugenia, the RPM GUI bug was fixed pretty quickly. Again, I installed it by hand, but I would hope that it has hit a yum or apt repository by now.

I assume that the reason you didn't apply the patch, and thus complained about an already fixed bug, is because you were reviewing it from an average user's point of view. A good distro that is touting itself for a simple point-and-click administration/configuration should not require dropping to a CLI, I agree.

(But you'll have to tear my CLI from my cold, dead claws!)


Cheapskate:
First peeve, the option to check thru individual packages was gone from the install, but the grouped package selection seemed a little more improved...

I agree with the peeve (no tick for individual packages) and raise you an extra peeve:

There is no way of informing the system what CD images you have. To make this worse, there is no way of knowing what CD's that you are going to need until you commit to the install.

Australian broadband is behind that of the "free world" in that we have to shell out for our traffic. I didn't want to use up a whole monthly allowance in the first week, so I only sucked down the first couple of ISOs. (And some kind person decided that the kernel should be on CD 3!)

It took a lot of experimentation to find which groups wanted the third CD and leave them out!

"Easy, just pick some 'bare minimums' and install the other groups after you reboot," you say? Tried it; at that stage, the RPM GUI bug was still there.


(I can't agree on the LILO peeve, though. I really couldn't give a toss about a bootloader that only pops up for 10 seconds whenever I reboot. I don't reboot often enough - and a bootloader is a bootloader ultimately!)


Third peeve, no xmms-mp3 plugin for xmms-1.2.8

Try the livna repositories. They worked for me.


anonymous@gotadsl.co.uk:
Sounds like Eugenia had a torrid time with Fedora Core 1 - with my 2.0Ghz P4 with an Nvidia card, I had no problems at all :-)

Yeah, that's all well and good. I can (and did) install most applications by hand too. (I like control!) New users that are coming to Fedora Core from another OS aren't usually up to this steep learning curve, however. It can be a turnoff.


Anyweb:
rpm package management is broken, why ? this is the 'final' release ? isn't it ? what was test 1,2,3 all about then ?

Bloody oath! There is no way that this glaring error should have made it into the Final release.



My take:
I'm disappointed in not being able to get my Promise ATA RAID going easily. Promise's support is abysmal (they do have native support for RH 8 & 9 which makes life easy!), so ultimately the only option is the opensource ATARAID.

I would like to see Anaconda support installs using ATARAID by default. More and more systems are coming with Promise & HighPoint on-board (mine is an expansion card) and it would be great to use these for a cheap RAID 1.


Big gripe:
I'm beyond irritated at redhat-config-printer which has been shoved down my throat!

I have a postscript 3 printer, which has a fantastic vendor supplied PPD. redhat-config-printer does not support adding third party PPD's. This I wouldn't normally care about...

What I do care about is when said application screws around with my CUPS configuration when it should leave it alone!

I setup my printer using CUPS web interface (localhost:631) with the vendor PPD and things went beautifully - much like all of my experiences with a properly setup CUPS configuration.

Then Gnome's PrintManager fired up redhat-config-printer & it got a hold of my new setups. It changed the "driver" which resulted in all of my printer output being turned into postscript garbage. (This is a known issue, introduced in RH9 - and the easiest way around it is "rpm -e redhat-config-printer redhat-config-printer-gui --nodeps" as Fedora claims that it is a vital component.)


At the end of the day, I have found Fedora to be smoother & quicker than the RH8 system I upgraded from. Besides the above two gripes, I have had flawless operation - far superior to the previous RH8 system. I have yet to have an application crash, even on the workstations (running LTSP).

Of course, I'm using it to run a business network, so multimedia nonsense is not only an issue, but a waste of space for me, sorry.