Linked by Eugenia Loli on Fri 21st May 2004 01:17 UTC
Mono Project The tomato war between Red Hat, Novell and the developer Gnome community about Mono and its legal safety continued today. Novell's Nat Friedman and Miguel de Icaza replied to yesterday's editorial by Red Hat's Seth Nickell. Later, Red Hat's Havoc Pennington replied to Nat and Gnome's Andrew Sobala also threw a few (metallic) cents too. For future episodes, bookmark PlanetGnome (unverified rumors circulating on IRC claim that eggs might be used next if there is no sign of their lawyers meeting with Microsoft to try to give an end to the saga). In any case, you don't want to miss this.
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by David on Sat 22nd May 2004 11:02 UTC

I'm not really disagreeing with your points but I do find it funny that everytime Nat says something everyone seems to think he's off his can. Like we are somehow more aware of the going ons at Novell.

I quite agree, and I want to believe that. Unfortunately, what Nat says and what the rest of Novell (outside of Ximian) and Suse is doing is absolutely totally at odds with everything he says. We have also had many predictions and FUD thrown up around the Suse aquisition that turned out to be totally untrue.

The same thing happened about his title on Slashdot, everyone just thought he was playing the mighty Nat card and it turned out to be his title.

No it wasn't. He was something to do with desktop development, but he certainly wasn't Novell/Suse Desktop Lead. He has also been VP of Ximian Services and VP of desktop development at Novell. Apparently (according to rumours), he has a position underneath Markus Rex, so therefore he is working under the Suse banner. I don't see him reflecting anything that Suse is actually doing or being any kind of positive spokesperson. Nat says something and Suse has never had a policy of talking openly about much, until something is presented, so people tend to believe him. After four or five years of this I can't see how anyone can now.

I know for a fact, because of a relative, that he heads the desktop division that has almost all say of what is going into their desktop. Why are you questioning him?

Everybody knows somebody ;) . Because he changes his job title every week, and because in interviews leading up to and after the Suse aquisition we had Nat and Miguel saying they would "do the right thing", meaning that they were giving the impression that they were taking over Suse's desktop activities. We also had a number of interviews where it was hinted that Ximian Desktop would by tightly stitched with Suse 9.0 and Suse 9.1. Nope, never saw any evidence of that. In Suse 9.1 it is clear that the Ximian people had some input on Gnome (which is good - Suse needed it), but I don't see the wholesale move to Ximian Desktop that was promised.

This has gone on for years now, and I for one can't be bothered. I just look (I don't read) at a Nat Friedman interview now and say "Yer, whatever". I find that sad, because he's obviously a talented guy. Anyway, this is totally off-topic and I'm not going to post about this subject again because it is just plain silly.