Linked by David Adams on Fri 17th Dec 2004 18:20 UTC, submitted by jeanmarc
Editorial The real heart of open source lies in its potential to be greater than the sum of its parts, the capacity to leverage the talent and abilities of an entire community of developers and users who are striving towards a common goal, according to an editorial at Linux Insider.
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by Darius on Sat 18th Dec 2004 05:22 UTC

Hey buddy, nice to see ya again ;) I'm going to continue our conversation from a previous thread in this one, because it is a nice transition anyway.

Actually, MS's monopoly relies on the Office file formats being closed. I would favor the government forcing MS to open up these file formats and presto! the abusive monopoly would be a lot less powerful.

Agreed, and open their APIs too - for at least 3-7 years.


It does seem as if you're saying that we shouldn't even bother denouncing MS dirty tricks because "it's the nature of business" and "everyone does it"..

I'm assuming that what you're trying to do is to pesuade as many people as you can not to use MS products. If that is the case, then you're completely going about it the wrong way. Look at guys like me and Lumbergh - you talk at great length about how awful a company MS is, but what good does it do? Absolutely none. If you couldn't tell from this thread and others, we're all about using the best tool for the job, not religion or politics.

If you (and I mean the anti-MS crowd) really want to get your message across, then create a website where you showcase different OSS apps and show us what is great about them, kind of like what my friend Shane did with DIrectory Opus:
http://www.monroeworld.com/reviews/dopus8/1.php
Give us screenshots with a feature tour of the apps and show us things using these apps that we just couldn't otherwise pull off. (Hint: Konquerer with the terminal emulator would be a great place to start - I'd like to see that in action.) Here is another example of how it is done, a page profiling the Opera browser:
http://tntluoma.com/opera/lover/7/
So you accuse me of being bias, and maybe I am - my bias is that I want to use apps that'll let me perform a given task as quickly and as efficiently, with as much functionality as possible. I think most other astutee Windows users are the same way (as if you haven't figured that out already).

So, if the open source apps are really that good ... good enough to go head-to-head with the best of their closed-source counterparts, then take the time and show us. The Mozilla project has been really good at that, which is why you see it gaining a foothold on one of the most popular closed-source apps in existence. (Well, that and the fact that MS isn't actually competing with them anymore, but again ... that's beside the point). Don't bother wasting your time telling us how evil Microsoft is, because we just don't give a rat's ass in the respect that we're not going to let it be the determining factor of what OS we use. Hell, you could even show MS execs on TV performing a human sacrifice for Satan and it still probably wouldn't matter. Do you understand?

But if you don't think open source apps are that good, then maybe you should find another cause to fight for, because your religious drivel does little more than to annoy the piss out of people like me, which I assume are the people you're trying to 'reach.' Now, you can tell us about how advanced the operating system and desktop enviroments are, but that doesn't go far enough .. it has to be the apps.

Well, if an app isn't available for a particular distro, then of course installing it is going to be hard
but hey, there are some apps that work well in a certain version of Windows and don't work well with another!


True, but if an app is available for the version of Windows I run, I never have a hard time finding it.

"Something I've thought about doing is to pick 20 Linux apps at random and offer $1,000 to anyone who could point me to a distro that I could install the latest version of all these apps without having to jump through hoops, such as having to hunt for a different repository, compiling from source, etc. "
If you were to really pick 20 apps at random (not hand-picking them) and asked if I could install them using a single repository (I use ftp.proxad.net exclusively), then you'd quickly be out of $1,000! :-)


No, I would pick them by hand. But I'm not going to pick the ones I think would be hard to install, just the ones I'd be interested in trying out. And it has to be the latest version. Not the 'bleeding edge' beta version, but just the latest stable version. For example, I just went to the k3b website and noticed that the latest version is 0.11.18, so that is the one I want. 0.11.17 or 0.11.16 don't cut it - has to be the latest.

Meanwhile, can you point a single place to me where I can get ALL of my Windows apps? If you're going to set the bar that high for Linux, you have to set it just as high for Windows...

I'm not looking for a single place to install software, just a single, consistant method. For example, in Windows, I simply download the file and double click. Sometimes I have to double click on a .exe inside of a zip file or else simply unzip to a directory, but that's about as difficult as it usually gets. So, if you say to me 'This is how to install apps in this distro', even if it is done by dropping to a command line and typing 'install application', as long as it works for all 20 apps, then you're good.