Linked by David Adams on Fri 17th Dec 2004 18:20 UTC, submitted by jeanmarc
Editorial The real heart of open source lies in its potential to be greater than the sum of its parts, the capacity to leverage the talent and abilities of an entire community of developers and users who are striving towards a common goal, according to an editorial at Linux Insider.
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by A nun, he moos on Sat 18th Dec 2004 07:52 UTC

I'm assuming that what you're trying to do is to pesuade as many people as you can not to use MS products.

Again, you're assuming wrong. I actually own an Xbox and enjoy it a lot. I have a Microsoft mouse, I use MS Office at home.

What I want is for Microsoft to stop using FUD and lies against Linux.

Look at guys like me and Lumbergh - you talk at great length about how awful a company MS is, but what good does it do? Absolutely none. If you couldn't tell from this thread and others, we're all about using the best tool for the job, not religion or politics.

That's a very limited point of view. About politics, I mean - religion is about where we come from and what happens after we die, and it has nothing to do with the current discussion.

Politics, however, is a different story. You may not care about politics, but that doesn't mean that Microsoft isn't involved in politics - hey, you even admitted yourself that government wouldn't move against MS. They won't, because MS has a lot of clout, and Gates has lots of friends. Movers and shakers, you know, that sort of thing. Politics is all about power, and money brings power. It's not rocket science.

So to you choosing Windows under Linux may not be a political decision to you, however that doesn't mean that there aren't political repercussions to that choice. Note that I'm not saying that you should stop - only that you should be conscious that it is indeed a political choice to some extent, even if you don't care about.

I can hardly blame you - I use Microsoft products every day. I must have used about seven different MS software today: Windows 2000, IE (I also use Firefox, but because of a weird database issue I have to use both browsers simultaneously), Windows Explorer, Word, Excel, Visio and Notepad (yes, I use notepad everyday, it helps to get rid of unwanted text formatting). However I am in favor of gradually reducing reliance on MS products, especially the OS.

That's my only problem with MS: they control the OS, and that gives them an unfair advantage. In my ideal world, MS would adopt Linux and sell proprietary software for it. It would be one software vendor out of many, competing on merit rather than using its vast resources to crush competition.

And, as I also said in the other thread, the best tool for the job is an entirely subjective choice. People use crappy software they're used to every day. Sometimes the best app is too expensive. Sometimes the best app doesn't run on your platform (K3b kicks Nero's ass, for example, and you can't get Final Cut Pro for Windows). Sometimes two people will find that two different apps are ideal for the job, and will start a flamewar on a web site. So saying that you and Lumbergh "just want the best tool for the job" really doesn't say much in itself. It's just another tired cliche, in fact.

If you (and I mean the anti-MS crowd)

I do not assume that you represent the anti-Linux crowd, do not assume that I represent the anti-MS crowd. You're starting to sound a little bit arrogant there, my friend.

then create a website where you showcase different OSS apps and show us what is great about them

I work 60 hours/week on game projects, and I try to have a life. If you really want to find out about those programs, I suggest you try one of the nice Linux liveCDs. And if you don't like what you see, then you can always create a website to bitch about it. But don't feel like you have to post overly critical messages in every Linux thread.

So, if the open source apps are really that good ... good enough to go head-to-head with the best of their closed-source counterparts, then take the time and show us.

No. I don't care if you or Lumbergh use a particular app or not. OSS is doing just fine without me putting in extra time about it. If you're interested about an app, you'll look it up. It's not my responsibility to guide you.

You still don't get it - I have nothing about Microsoft's products, I have someting against Microsoft itself, or more specifically the way it conducts its business by spreading lies and FUD about OSS.

You can use any software you want, on any OS you want, I really don't give a damn.

Hell, you could even show MS execs on TV performing a human sacrifice for Satan and it still probably wouldn't matter. Do you understand?
Don't bother wasting your time telling us how evil Microsoft is, because we just don't give a rat's ass in the respect that we're not going to let it be the determining factor of what OS we use. It doesn't matter to you, but it matters to a critical mass of people in the IT industry.

But if you don't think open source apps are that good, then maybe you should find another cause to fight for, because your religious drivel

What religious drivel? What the hell are you talking about? Are you already out of arguments that you must try to misrepresent mine as some sort of irrational sermon?

Give me one quote of what I've written that you consider "religious drivel". Just one.