Linked by David Adams on Fri 17th Dec 2004 18:20 UTC, submitted by jeanmarc
Editorial The real heart of open source lies in its potential to be greater than the sum of its parts, the capacity to leverage the talent and abilities of an entire community of developers and users who are striving towards a common goal, according to an editorial at Linux Insider.
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@Lumbergh
by A nun, he moos on Sat 18th Dec 2004 18:59 UTC

I'm a Libertarian Leftist. Are you going to insult me because of that? Are you so inept at political discourse that you can't debate with someone who holds opinions that differ from you?

Noticed how he called libertarians right-wing reactionaries. He is the one that started attacking people.

Well, when talking of Libertarian Rightists, then I'm afraid to say that he's right to say that they are - for the most part - conservative reactionaries. This may seem extreme to you, but remember that you are in the U.S., which is overall a more conservative nation than the rest of the world (i.e., what you consider "centrist" is acutally right-of-center).

So he wasn't attack anyone, merely stating his opinion. Also not that he didn't name anyone. Please understand what "personal attacks" mean.

What do you make of that? He's trying to use FOSS to further his political agenda.

No, he's saying just was he's saying: that FOSS embodies a confrontation with the definition of private property. The notion of FOSS does challenge the traditional notion of private property. That doesn't mean that the goal of FOSS is to undermine or eradicate the concept of private property! If you tried to understand what the guy said instead of projecting your own misconceptions over it, you would have gotten that.

In any case, the basic issue remains: if you disagree with him, then try to articulate a counter-argument instead of going into attack mode.

He slams individualism and americans at the same time.

No he doesn't. He said that he hopes that he hopes that not all Americans worship individualism as the be-all end-all of the political, ie. social, existance. He's right - individualism is important, but so is a sense of community. It's not a black-and-white thing where it's all one or the other (which is why he used the term "be-all end-all"). He makes a legitimate criticism of the "extreme" individualism championed by some in the U.S. - now, if the hats fits you...

So I just proved my point that he hates capitalism and individual liberty.

Uh, no. He didn't. That's what you read into it, but you're too biased to actually understand what he says. And one could make the case that capitalism can actually be detrimental to individual liberty - look at the numerous cases of human rights abuse tacitly supported by transnational corporporations, especially in South America.

Don't associate "free markets" and "democracy" - they don't necessarily go hand-in-hand. For the record, the U.S. is not a capitalist country, as it is very protectionist and interventionist (through the Pentagon system of corporate subsidies, among others). "Capitalism" is for U.S. client states, who must open up their markets to U.S. goods or face the consequences. Nicaragua is a good example.

I feel sorry for you if he convinced you of anything besides that he gives Open Source a bad name with his neo-socialist rantings.

He presented arguments. You attacked him. Guess who's going to be more convincing? I guess this is also why so many of your posts got modded down (some of mine did, too, but out of three there was a duplicate post, and another post apologizing about it).

Neo-socialism? That's catchy. Since socialism is back in style in Europe and South America, it's probably a good idea to call it neo-socialism to underline the fact that it has become modernized to deal with the realities of a new century. After all, you guys have the neo-cons running the show, it's only natural that the rest of the planet reacts accordingly.