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I totally agree that you can use firefox open office, gimp on windows. Why doesnt MS with all its money make products as good as these for the same cost? Also service pack 2 has solved *some* problems. As a security specialist at a financial institution and a person who sees MS NDA on security patches which get eventually get released in to the public domain I have to say that Microsoft and security are at different ends of the playing field at this present time. Some patches that MS release just don't work! or that they are release months after the exploit has been made known. But hey if this type of competition is what it takes to get MS to pull its finger out and start producing better cheaper software then all good eh?