Linked by Eugenia Loli on Sat 15th Jan 2005 02:09 UTC, submitted by Paul Best
Slackware, Slax On a recent IRC discussion Pat discussed Slackware's future and the restructuring that will happen for Slackware 11. Regarding the removal of Gnome from Slackware, he said: "GNOME is not easy to build into packages, lacks decent documentation to build, and requires many undocumented system changes for things to work 100%".
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by Bill Allen on Mon 17th Jan 2005 14:56 UTC

>Nostalgic ?

Yes, because Slackware is one of the linux distributions more reactive to innovations.

>I think you are mixing shadows passwords and PAM which Slack does not use.

Yes, I made a mistake. But why not use PAM if it is good ?

>It supports System V scripts if you need them, but they are not the default system. I find Slack start system being one of the reasons I love this distrb : they are very simple to maintain.

What difficult is to use chkconfig, create some symlinks and rc.local (if you prefer simply add some lines to this script) ?

System V also use scripts and it is a de-facto standard in commercial Unix world. Only *BSDs and Slackware still not use this.

>no graphical installers,
Those are so nice when moving around racks without a fscking mouse that I wont go in it (also they are memory voracious).

But almost all distribututions which have graphical installers also offer ncurses-based installers as OPTION, like Fedora, etc.

I understand that text installers are better and important for some cases but DON'T OFFER ALSO a graphical installer is not good for some users.

> no package resolution system, etc.
"Package resolution system" is usually the issue raised by people who never used Slack.

Slackare was my first linux distribution in 1997 but I changed for Red Hat in 1998.

> RPM systems seems to have a will by itself to become corrupted.

rpm --rebuilddb

if rpm database corrupts.

>And while Apt-get has admitedly been superior in its ease of use for a while, swaret has become the Slack must-have that works very much alike.
Slackware choice of package management(particulary on granularity) is different but I never encoutered a problem with it (particulary not one of those nasty circular dependancies).

Maybe because the packages on Slackware are bigger. Gentoo, Debian and Red Hat-like distributions with apt-rpm don't have problem with dependencies, except for packager errors (human error).

"For me, Slackware is simply easer because more "transparent" than most distros."

All linus distributions are transparent because all are opensource and use scripts (therefore human readable).

Slackware is a good distribution and I respect it but you can do the same with another distributions.

"And if P.Volkerding says Gnome has become to difficult for him to support, I really believe that a man who has been managing one of the main Linux distros the last TWELVE years has a point view worth listening to!"

This is the problem: it is a one man distribution basically, not a community project like Debian or Gentoo. Yes, I think Patrick is not human but nobody is perfect and the best in linux is community sense.