Linked by Eugenia Loli on Fri 1st Apr 2005 10:58 UTC
Novell and Ximian One of the highlights of Joe Barr's trip to Salt lake City last month for BrainShare 2005 was the opportunity to interview Miguel de Icaza, a mercurial star of the free software movement who has been responsible for hugely successful projects and also founded his own company with Nat Friedman that was later acquired by Novell.
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by David on Fri 1st Apr 2005 23:05 UTC

You say a lot of thinks, but where are the proves?

Have a look at what's been said over the past few years, what's been promised, what went on when Novell acquired Ximian and how it's transpired. Unfortunately, you can only get so far with hot air and marketing.

And whats your problem with it?

Just so I'm clear - I have NO, repeat NO, problem with Mono as a programming solution or the fact that it is a very good technical achievement. Hell, I've been taking .Net code to one side and trying it all the time with Mono and from there I have a problem with the way they've went about it.

It pains me a bit that if they could have handled it better, took what was good about .Net, funded it sensibly (cheap dual-licensing etc.) stuck a finger or two up to Microsoft and went in their own direction they'd have had a reasonable amount of success.

However, they bought hook, line and sinker into the hype of .Net before .Net itself was even ready for widespread use. Arguably, it still isn't. There's a lot of people with legacy systems out there who are just sitting on them because it is unfeasible to port to .Net right now. How that's going to transpire into people porting to Mono I have really no idea. They didn't think through the reality unfortunately.

My problem is that when you go on to Microsoft's turf you have to be very careful about how you do it. Take what's good about it, and the standards, and come up with a completely different implementation that improves on it. Create your own mindshare and don't taint yourself.

Way are you so anti-mono, Miguel and Nat?

I'm not anti-Miguel and Nat. They're two very talented guys with some ideas that are obviously extremely good. Producing a .Net implementation with a compiler etc. and everything needed to go with it is certainly not a trivial thing. Hula is driven by marketing largely, but if they can make that work all power to them. What I saw demonstrated at Nat's keynote was certainly extremely useful - if it works in the way they demonstrated......

However, for that to mean anything you have to produce software and ideas that are ultimately going to make sense for where you want to put them, and they've largely fallen down there. I'm being a bit harsh there though, as there has been a lot worse in the IT industry - the way Novell used to be, for example,

You can only fool so many people so much of the time with marketing and hype unfortunately.