Linked by Eugenia Loli on Sat 14th Sep 2002 22:44 UTC
SuSE, openSUSE From SuSE Linux 8.1 on, YaST2 comes with a new, powerful package manager. It supersedes the classic YaST2 single package selection and integrates the YaST Online Update (YOU) and post-installation add-on selection at the same time. It lays the foundation for supporting multiple installation sources like a traditional set of SuSE CDs, add-on product CDs, patch CDs, FTP servers or even local directories - all of which may contain software packages to install. Specially optimized versions were implemented for both graphical user interface (the YaST2 Qt UI) or text interface (the YaST2 NCurses UI), providing each type of user with the tool that best fits his needs. Read more for the commentary.
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Rants and more rants
by Cesar Cardoso on Sun 15th Sep 2002 16:37 UTC

Quoting a lot of people and their remarks...


> Is APT a good tool? Sure. It's a good tool for dealing with packages sanctioned by
> and CREATED by Debian's maintainers.

True. And everybody who sees the anger of Debian developers when some user complains about some problems created by the Ximian packages knows that.


> With all due respect, you're not comparing like to like when comparing pretty much
> any Linux package manager against Windows Update. It's only purpose is maintaining
> a _tiny_ set of packages, all of which is controlled by MS. Drivers too, given they have
> to be signed to even make it anywhere near the update.

If you REALLY want to make something useful with Windows, you need to go to third-party apps, and there starts all the DLL hell.
Since Adobe Photoshop thrown away the MacOS UI guidelines, ISVs on proprietary systems tend to think they can do whatever they want. It isn't happening on MacOS X now because people are still porting things, but it'll happen. Hey, Photoshop runs now on X, so it'll start :-)


> I think package managers are in fact the wrong way to go about things.

Package management is not an easy thing to do. It wasn't then, it isn't now.
Because package management remembers that YOU are in control of YOUR machine, not Microsoft, Apple, Eugenia, RedHat or even Debian Project. And it's WAY easier to be a brain-dead and hand over your machine to somebody.


> I think Debian gets it right. Now for LSB to ditch RPM and declare dpkg/apt-get the
> standard.

Nobody reads those LSB docs, oh my! The LSB standard is called LSB. It's a *SUBSET* of RPM 3 - pretty ancient nowadays. Not RPM 4, or even full-blown RPM 3.


> I suspect many people in the Linux Community would leave quickly if they lost such
> flexible choices.

People would run in droves to run the Hurd.

I wonder why Eugenia still posts stories like this, given that she showed her dislike and her disbelief on Linux UIs in general.
Eugenia, refrain from trolling, please. If I want trolling, I'd better go /.