Linked by Eugenia Loli on Mon 16th Sep 2002 06:48 UTC, submitted by Cesar Cardoso
Red Hat "We see the desktop as only a piece of the entire operating system product; integration must extend beyond the desktop. We also believe that users care most about functionality and integration rather than the underlying technology. For these reasons, we have created a single desktop look and feel for Red Hat Linux rather than maintaining two unrelated configurations." Very good stuff over there from Owen Taylor, the Red Hat Desktop Team member.
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Re: blah
by Dekkard on Mon 16th Sep 2002 10:05 UTC

oh, i am a friend of gnome... as it was before such companies are getting involved and fuck it up.
I'm glad you made that clear ;)

you missed the point once again. for simplicity i kept the amount of overall users. i only showed that most of them switched over to kde.
Sorry, but you can't show anything with made up numbers. I'll agree that the number of KDE users is superior, but not that it's increased because there were many who switched from Gnome, neither that the number of Gnome users decreased in the last 3 years.

you are missing something here. 'helping' in terms of 'help' is ok as far it goes. but taking over the leading controlling over gnome as it is now is not correct anymore.
We all know Gnome is now aiming towards being used in the enterprise desktop, and companies got interested on it. It was a matter of time they got involved in the development, and marked some basic points to aim that goal. I don't see that as such a bad thing.

don't get fooled by that fucking 'open source' hype. companies don't contribute for free. not if they have 2000 and more employees working for them that want to feed their children, pay their bills etc. 'open source' was a god given present for these companies.
Of course, i. e. Sun didn't have to develop a desktop from scratch, or from a CDE upgrade, but what you forget is that many open source developers work for companies that can get many benefits from it.

dumb morons working for free on software where companies like sun directs them to the 'how our customers like to see your software' way and then the big money flows in their case.
Developers for Gnome are working for free on a project that doesn't only benefit Sun, Ximian or Redhat, but ANY company that gets interested on it. It's open source, there're not only 2 companies that get the improvements. You think like if this was propietary software.

you as open source programmer only get a 'thank you' but you don't see the big '$$$$$' got it ? by the way isn't programming open source for fun ? wasn't it meant to contribute to a project like gnome for fun ? i mean you don't need a diploma for this little brainactivity to find out. there is nothing about 'open source' 'freedom' 'free' 'fun' 'happy' 'friendship' anymore on gnome. it's all about CASH...
Working for fun in a project that can benefit many others is still possible, Gnome is living proof, as is KDE, Mozilla, Openoffice, etc etc. We all know companies get benefit from Gnome hackers' hard work, but so they did before Ximian and Sun got in, and it happens with projects such as mysql, or Apache. About brainactivity, well, if you feel developing for Gnome is a fool thing, don't do it. You're not forced, neither are all the developers that, according to you, are facing a fascist attitude from Sun. Perhaps you should note that the ones receiving orders are Gnome foundation members, then they change the goals and stuff from what companies/counselors want, all the developer sees is that they are asked to make some changes in their programs in a given date. Or, they can leave it to some other maintainers, if they don't have time / don't want to do it / don't know how to do it. No whips in this ship.

now write it down on a piece of paper

COMPANIES MAKE MONEY WITH MY SOFTWARE THAT I WORKED FOR MONTHS ON. ALL I GET IS A WARM FART INTO MY FACE. I DRIVE A FUCKING OLD MUSTANG 79', WHILE SUN EMPLOYEES ARE DRIVING A BIG NEW MERCEDES OR BMW. I LIVE IN A 2 ROOMS APPARTMENT AND CARE WHERE TO GET THE MONEY FOR THE NEXT MONTH, WHILE SUN PEOPLE HAVE A NICE 8-10 ROOMS HOUSE. I AM STUPID BECAUSE I WORK FOR FREE.

I don't need to write it down. Neither I agree. If you feel programming for free is stupid, don't do it, many developers don't feel the same, and it's not like all of them are starving, or don't get work in other companies based in their experience programming for open source projects. Hell, programmers have been contracted full time to work on projects like Gnome, Mozilla or KDE. Companies know they can't rely only on hackers that program for fun.