Linked by Andy Roberts on Thu 9th Jun 2005 20:58 UTC
Java The recent announcement from Apache regarding their plans to embark on their own J2SE implementation called Harmony has re-ignited the long-running Java/OSS debate. James "Father of Java" Gosling reacted in an unexpected way by giving a misleading view of what open source is really all about. Now that the dust has settled a little bit, it's time for an article that is not championing the cause for the relicensing of Sun's implementation under more permissive, open source terms, but simply a look at what could (and could not) happen under the open source model.
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Re: Defending Java
by pixelmonkey on Fri 10th Jun 2005 00:43 UTC

Excuse me, Ubuntu did not "fork" from Debian. Ubuntu takes Debian's immense packaging effort and focuses effort on polishing the desktop so that it is useable out of the box. Ubuntu does what I used to spend 2-3 days doing after a fresh Debian install: making the damn thing useable.

Someone wrote on Ian Murdock's blog:

"I would have thought that everyone realized that the only reason that Ubuntu can offer such a fine finished product as Hoary Hedgehog is that it is based on such a fine unfinished product as Sarge."

That's exactly right. Debian is an amazing volunteer effort; every time I explain how Debian works to a crowd of people, they all go "Wow--you mean all those developers, all over the world, put together an operating system with thousands upon thousands of free software packages? And they do all this for free?" Yes, they do. So bare with them if the end-result isn't so pretty from a Desktop Linux point of view.

All Ubuntu does is say, "Okay, Debian is great, but let's make it a polished desktop, a nice user experience, and then let's support the software that we choose from Debian so that users don't have to deal with breaks on upgrades and things like that."

I still run pure Debian on my desktop, but I run Ubuntu on my laptop. Debian is my desktop, many years old, built the way I want it. Ubuntu is the Linux I'd like to show to the outside world of non-Linux geeks, so they understand that you don't have to be a complete computerphile to use a Free OS.

Let's remember that if derivatives weren't allowed (due to a more restrictive license from Debian), then Ubuntu wouldn't have existed, and pushed desktop linux innovation a bit further. I understand some devs take issue with Ubuntu because it basically gets all the attention for what is really nothing more than a "Debian system in a shiny package," meanwhile Debian developers are the unsung heros. I feel bad about that too. But Ubuntu's website does recognize the relationship between Ubuntu and Debian: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/relationship/document_view