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Disingenuous? I'm confused, are you saying I'm insincere? Jeez, I really hope I'm not coming off that way. But here is the thread as it concerns us:



By Galbotrix (IP: 203.212.212.---)
Well....Open Solaris ships under CDDL whereas Linux is under the GPL. And as both licences are not supposed to work with each other many of the open solaris tools like dtrace cannot be legally ported to linux.

By Anonymous (IP: ---.home.cgocable.net)
The code can't be directly incorperated, but the technology can be studied and then a rewritten implimentation can be made and released under the GPL.

By Jon Anderson (IP: ---.eu.sun.com)
Not really. There are patents involved and it's very hard to 'study' something and re-implement it without infringing
copyright.

By Anonymous (IP: ---.home.cgocable.net)
Am I to take it then Sun is planning on suing OSS projects if they reimpliment Sun technology? And if so, does that mean F/OSS, and small developers, or just coporations like IBM?

By Jon Anderson (IP: ---.eu.sun.com)
You can reuse/reimplement Suns code and patents as long as you release it as a derivative work under the CDDL. Read the FAQ.

Taking Open Solaris and effectively copying it is still patent and/or copyright infringement.

By Anonymous (IP: ---.home.cgocable.net)
Damn, that's too bad it has to be that way, way as in Sun's way or the highway. Hopefully if Sun sues, IBM and company can negotiate a cross-license deal to allow the GPL community to share with Sun's CDDL community.

(How sickening is this, Community against community? Especially two that have so much in common.)

By Jon Anderson (IP: ---.eu.sun.com)
I don't understand what you expected and why you're setting this up as Sun against the 'community'. Not everybody uses the GPL or thinks it's the most appropriate license. There are many open source licenses. As I said in an earlier post, Sun chose a license it felt was best for it's own (and it's shareholders needs). This wasn't just an exercise to put a tick in the box next to open source for comparing against a linux distribution.

If you wan't to use Suns code and patents use the CDDL. If you wanted to lift code straight into linux (kernel) then you are out of luck because the gpl does not permit this.

It's not community against community and I think it's very disingenious of you to say so.



When I asked if Sun plans to sue small developers, etc, from your IP address I was assuming you might have some inside knowledge of Sun's management mindset as far as reimplimentation of Solaris features in Linux. I asked if Sun planned to sue, your answer said in effect yes. So I took that as Sun wants to prevent the GPL community from using Sun's patented and copyrighted work. Since the CDDL community is Sun, and if Sun attacks the GPL community, those that have pledged support to protect the GPL community decide they are going to against Sun, I would think it is safe to say that is community against community or more accurately Sun against the GPL community.

I also never said anything about Sun using the GPL. That has been hashed over more times than I care to think about. Notice what I said was to study then reimpliment the technology, and not directly use the code, so copyright infringment shouldn't be a problem. It's those patents, and it would be a shame if Sun decided to use them to try and block the GPL community from using reimplimented or similar technology. But that's your guy's progative, I suppose.