Linked by Eugenia Loli on Wed 18th Sep 2002 02:30 UTC
Oracle and SUN These days, the big players in the Linux "purely-desktop market" are Lycoris, Lindows, ELX and the much awaited Xandros Desktop 1.0. OSNews got their hands to the latest version of Xandros (beta3b) and we are giving it a whirl. Read more for information and screenshots.
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by rajan r on Thu 19th Sep 2002 09:57 UTC

Rudy: Windows interface is THE BEST user interface at the moment, but if Linux GUI developers keep trying to mimic it, they will always be behind.

Windows UI ISN'T the BEST, never was, probably never will. If you ask me what is the best modern UI, I would say OS X. The best UI of all times, NeXT (with the responsiveness of beOS would be ncie).

But the rest of your point: I agree.

appleforever: The compelling reason to use a mac still exists - it's called one company making the hardware, OS and increasingly, much of the core software that provides the basic functionality people want.

Guess what? Most corporate people DON'T care about that. Most consumers DON'T care about that. All of the Switch ads I have seen (not all of it), never once gave a reason to switch because of Apple making the hardware, software and some niche middleware.

Maybe IBM can get XP running on their PCs. But what if someone wants to do some basic video editing like with iMovie. It's off to the world of inferior, problem ridden 3d party solutions.

Okay, I'm SO VERY SURE if there is an Apple store in you place, there would be an Sony one too. GO INTO IT. COMPARE THE DIFFERENCE. And now you see why ALL ARTICLES PRAISING iAPPS NEVER COMPARE WITH THOSE OF SONY.

Just come out from you fucking bubble. Yeah, most PCs SOLD doesn't come with anything like iApps, but there is an reason for it. MOST PEOPLE DON'T CARE ABOUT IT!.

appleforever: The best user interface is OS X with the iApps. Linux should copy that.

If they were to copy any UI, I would say NeXTstep's, not some badly made merge of NeXT and Platinum UIs that haven't got time to mature. As I said above, OS X's UI is better than any other modern (ie: current) OS, but certainly not the best in the history of computing).

Besides, the people who do clone Mac OS X would face the wrath of Apple's legal division.

Jay: ELX hardly gets talked about, but I run it and the poster above is right, I think, it could be the easiest to use yet.

Well, I have tried Lycoris and ELX on the same machine, and Lindow at a store selling computers. I don't really agree with you. It may closely resemble Windows 9x, but I notice it uses a lot of jargon Windows users won't understand.

Jay: ELX has a cool thing for newbies where they group applications by category in the taskbar or panel and, when you click, for example, the browsers icon, all the browsers appear in a window and you then click on the one you want to use.

This feature is found in KDE 3.x, Windows XP, BeOS, Mac OS X, NeXTstep etc. Hardly innovative...

WinXP Hostage: Based on the number of things people use a computer for, relearning a new interface is a _monumental_ task. So this is why most people are held hostage by the Windows upgrade path.

Not really. Since Windows 3.1, my father never used anything but Windows. After installing Red Hat Null, I manage to get him to use it without any help. But why isn't he using it anymore? Two reason
- His workplace isn't using it
- OpenOffice.org doesn't have something like Access (yes, there is an front end to some SQL....). Plus, he uses some features in Excel (can't remember the names), whom he tried looking for in the in OOo but couldn't find it, and couldn't find any altenative in the documentation.

My dad pretty much proves that you don't have to clone Windows' UI to make it big on the corporate market: providing the corporate market with features they *want* would. Many companies moved from Windows 3.1/NT 3.5 to Windows 95/ NT4 because it contains features they want, even though the UI is completly different.

Besides, Red Hat (nor Sun) is targeting the mass white collar employees, only a small niche in the corporate market and grow from there.

Another example I can give is David Coursey. He manage to use and fall in love with OS X without any troubles of relearning everything. Why? Because OS X UI is better designed as Windows XP (appleforever is loving this... hehe). You just need a UI that is BETTER. More LOGICAL. Less JARGON. Better on screen DOCUMENTATION like tooltips that are well writen. Dummies(tm)-like manual. Stuff like that.

Torrey: Yeah sure in red hat NULL it does this, but what about in Debian?? You have .deb .rpm then you have source code tar balls and yet when I install things they still don't ask to put things in my launcher menu now do they?

When i installed Opera, it appeared in my menu. Your point just turned moot. It all depends on the RPM/DEB. Most RPMs made specify to RedHat and compatible, and automatically make menu entries for it. Yeah, there are RPMs that don't add menu entries, just like there are some apps for Windows that don't add menu entries.

Besides, whether Debian has a graphical front end of APT-GET should be their problem. Debian, BTW, targets more technical users, after all.

Warren Downs: What I mean by this is, getting rid of the legacy or server-centric Unix ways of doing things, and designing for a single-user desktop.

Adopting a single-user desktop while the two major players (Windows XP and Mac OS X) adopts it is counter-productive. Most people don't have their own computer to their self, they share it with their family/ roommate/ etc.

Warren Downs: Instead, the directory tree should be simplified (NOT NECESSARILY according to the LSB).

To hide them, you don't need to change them. Open Terminal.app in OS X, and you can very well find the folders (most of it at least) you specify. It is just Finder that blocks it.

Warren Downs: I would like to see compatibility for Win32 be standard, perhaps using a merge of WineX and CodeWeaver's WINE improvements.

A merge between two competiting arch rival companies isn't in the books my friend. Besides, even if it was possible to clone Win32 on Linux, it would cause a lot of legal problems - Win32 is tied to many patents.

Besides people should move to Linux so they can be more productive. Not to run Windows apps and kill that "evil monopoly".

Warren Downs: DOS compatibility (using DosEMU) should be merged in, so users can seamlessly run Win32, DOS, and Linux binaries without blinking.

DOS compatiblity is installed by default by many distributions. (Besides, how many mainstream DOS apps are there?).

Well, I think writing a Linux emulation thingy for Windows is a faster way to accomplish that, hehehe.