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Both Red Hat 8.1 and SuSE 8.0 has innovated for their markets they are after. And this is not just for their workstation/server market, but in fact, Red Hat always has special patches for their kernels.
One thing is for sure: RH and SuSE are not the same as they were 3 years ago.
Is Debian the same as 3 years ago, for the goals it has or not? (I am not talking about any desktops here, I am talking abotu their respective "markets" each software piece has)