Linked by Eugenia Loli on Tue 19th Nov 2002 09:24 UTC
Oracle and SUN This past year has been a breakthrough for Sun for both their Linux and Solaris products. The most intriguing news of all is possibly the challenge Sun poses to Microsoft with their Desktop Initiative announced a couple of months ago. We spoke to Bill Moffitt, Product Line Manager of the Solaris Lifecycle, about Linux, the desktop and Solaris. Update: Bill Moffitt replies on our forums.
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by rajan r on Wed 20th Nov 2002 12:36 UTC

Eugenia: Nice to have a confirmation then, isn't? Bet you didn't know about the official Java bindings on GTK+ or the port of XRender. ;-)

XRender, I didn't expect it this soon. Sun (and any commercial X11 vendor) would have to heed what XFree86 is doing because it is practically the most used implementation out there, plus many OSS software is beginning to take advantage of it. What suprised me was that stuff like XFT2 wasn't included too.

As for the GTK+ bindings, I guessed as much that it would come out one day.

I may understand that GNOME may be interesting for little kids that play at home with their style and eye-candy tricks on GNOME but here in my company I have to deal with serious customer informations and material.

And I don't see why you have to throw these informations and material away. If it is in the desktop itself (maybe in the centralized address book, if any), IIRC Sun has a migration app that moves all these information to GNOME. If your apps uses Motif (native to CDE), I don't see why not you use GNOME to run them. they may not be native-looking, but they do work.

CDE is dying. I still think Sun would be much better off with Qt and KDE, but GNOME is much better anyway. At least GTK+ is much better than Motif.

Besides, Sun isn't forcing you to use GNOME. What Sun is doing is making GNOME the default. You could use CDE if you want. (and for now, CDE would still be default).

Yama: As for RealMedia, Real already have a player for *NIX.

A old, crappy, outdated, slow, unstable player, mind you.

Yama: I respect Red Hat's decision to be careful about licensing costs, but I think they are being a little too paranoid here.

Thompson wasn't very clear on the seperation of open source apps and commercial apps. You see, RH can be considered both OSS and commercial. RH doesn't want to be a guinnea pig, it is unlikely they should sue Mandrake, but Red Hat with its large market share becomes a bigger target.

Java is a language. GTK+ is a toolkit. You can't replace one with the other because they are different things. If you mean that Sun should push GTK+ over Swing/SWT (which are native Java toolkits) then you may have a point, but I don't think you meant that.

What I meant was to push C/C++ over Java. Java doesn't do much except being cross-platform. Sun should encourage Sun-only ISVs to use GTK+ with C (ie being native) instead of using Java. (Besides, can GTK+ replace Swing? And since when did Sun support SWT?).

Matthew Gardiner: What is productive about excessive eye candy and unnecessary bloat in the form of media players and "movie makers" that come pre-installed and bolted to the OS?

While the (optional) eye candy is not that needed in a business enviroment, the media player isn't? Maybe not in your business, but many businesses do use them. My aunt's back uses Quicktime extensively (well, not WMP, but they have been using it before WMP was even viable).

mario: Solaris development has progressed about as fast as Linux had, so the margin that Solaris holds is still huge.

That I doubt. Sure Solaris 9 was a big improvement over 8, but the difference isn't all that big. Solaris isn't moving that fast. I'm not talking about the main kernel repository. There are plenty of things that are being done outside kernel.org that gives Linux a bigger competitive egde.

My point isn't that Solaris isn't good, my point is that Linux is catching up fast.

Matthew Gardiner: As for Microsoft operating sytems are "easy to install and works", first of all, the operating system comes pre-installed on computers

A lot of businesses rather install Windows themselves. It is pretty much easier to install Windows than Linux in this case. It is easier to do a ghost image and install them on every machine in the office. Sure, there are altenatives on Linux, but none of them as easy.

dL: MS dominates becauses it sucked people into useing their proprietery file formats.

Wrong. MS dominated because their competitors didn't took Microsoft seriously at first. Remember, at first, Office didn't have good filters for Lotus 1-2-3, WordPerfect and Harvard Graphics formats, yet they still dominated at the end. Notice NO Office suite could claim honestly that they have all of the features Office has, and have even more than Office doesn't have.

Bill Moffitt: but when I have to go over to use Office on Windows it seems (believe it or not) clunky, buggy, hard to use, counter-intuitive etc. I'm just used to StarOffice now, so it's my most productive environment.

And I really got to ask what version of Office and Windows are you using? I have been using StarOffice 5.2 and OpenOffice.org for well over a year (completely ignoring Office 2000), and when I first tried Office XP, it made StarOffice 6.0 and OOo 1.0 look buggy, clunky, hard-to-use and counter-productive. Sure, it took me a long time to get used to Office, but I find myself more productive on Office than with OOo. Especially on the buggy part (SO 6.0 is somewhat better than this, but still far less polished than Office XP).

Bill Moffitt: One more note: I haven't gotten a Microsoft Office document that didn't open just fine in StarOffice in months.

A person that emails a Sun employee a document using Office's formats is a dumb person :-). Besides, Presentation filters for PowerPoint is terrible.

Maybe Sun did well in getting StarOffice into their organization, but I doubt it would work very well in many other organizations, whom its business (and products, in some cases) DEPEND on Office.