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Oracle and SUN This past year has been a breakthrough for Sun for both their Linux and Solaris products. The most intriguing news of all is possibly the challenge Sun poses to Microsoft with their Desktop Initiative announced a couple of months ago. We spoke to Bill Moffitt, Product Line Manager of the Solaris Lifecycle, about Linux, the desktop and Solaris. Update: Bill Moffitt replies on our forums.
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For Mario, How Sun = Proprietary
by Red Pill on Thu 21st Nov 2002 00:33 UTC

Hi Mario --

Sun is proprietary in the following ways:

1. They have not released Java to any recognized international standards group. They have maintained control over this "open" standard. Why?

Just this one act shows how Sun is totally "lip service" when it comes to open standards. It has been years and Sun has FOUGHT tooth and nail against even making the "Java Community Process" more open. Is this the mark of a company that truly believes in 'open standards' ? I don't think so.

Microsoft has released C# and .NET through ECMA. Netscape submitted Javascript to the same OPEN standards group. These languages prosper due to open standards. Why wouldn't Java? Why is Sun so adamantly against open standards for Java?

2. Solaris the operating system is proprietary. If I wanted to make a clone of it, I'd be in copyright violation. If I wanted to "fork" Solaris X86 because Sun canceled it, I'd be in up to my eyes in Sun lawyers. That is, even if the source was available to me.

Linux, on the other hand, is much more open. It is technology that is people-friendly and customer-friendly. I could fork any of the Linux distros if I needed to. The GPL allows me to do this.

For Linux, there are many vendors. For Solaris, there is only one big hungry corporate giant as a vendor. One big company that is very anti-customer.

3. Sun supports only the standards where they wield strong corporate influence (GNOME for instance).

Does Sun support KDE? Nope.
Does Sun support anything other than GNOME? Nope.

Sun donates code to the open source movement only to promote their closed standard 'Java'. Does Sun contribute anything else? Nope.

Sun is all about how to control whatever 'open' standards they are interested in. Sure, for things that they don't care about -- like Ethernet -- they will blather on and on about how they support open standards. This is to distract attention away from the places where they are obviously not interested in anything remotely close to 'open'.

Compare Sun to IBM. Sun goes on and on about how they are the "open standards" company. IBM doesn't spend days and weeks TALKING about how they are an open standards company... IBM just IS an open standards company.

For example, IBM has contributed to Linux for years, Sun is only just getting there. IBM helped create the web services open standards. Sun wasn't interested.

IBM has implemented Linux across much of their high-end hardware, including their mainframes. For Sun, Linux is only on some low-end servers. And Sun's Linux support even on these low-end machines is tepid. And Sun's low-end hardware is expensive.

All in all, Sun has no track record of supporting Linux. And they have a miserable "open standards" track record, at least recently.

Sun has to change their CORPORATE MENTALITY if they are going to survive. They will have to cut down on all the fat salaries they are paying to people who come up with stupid ideas liked closed-standard Java.

Most of what Sun has come up with in the past couple years is "make work" or "make work for brother". There is no real benefit to the customer, just giant complex systems that will fund armies of Sun consultants. HIGH MARGINS. Sun is not the company of the future as they are not adapting to the present. Expensive high-margin systems are not what the world wants.

Which CUSTOMERS asked for "N1" ?
Which CUSTOMERS asked for non-standard Sun-Linux ?
Which CUSTOMERS asked for "GNOME only" ?

Sun is not a customer-centric company. This will be the death of them.

- Red Pill