Linked by David Adams on Tue 7th Jan 2003 18:05 UTC
Apple Steve Jobs just announced in his Macworld Keynote that Apple is releasing its own browser, called Safari. Its claim to fame is extremely fast performance on the Mac. The Mac platform has struggled from sluggish browser performance with IE (the old default browser). Update: According to Jobs, Safari is open source and based on khtml. It only runs on Mac OS X and will be available for download today.
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Re: My take on Safari
by nnooiissee on Wed 8th Jan 2003 21:29 UTC

Gawd, the metalic browsers. Isn't iLife enough? If I was to use the Mac, I would take that KHTML source and write my very own front end because as the most used app, I wouldn't want metallic browsers.

I tried Safari without the texturing, and it was good. If you have project builder you can change it yourself, otherwise just ask and I can send you the modified file (< 24K).

Apple made a front end and improved KHTML, while made a presentation software. how hard is that

Other than the front end they are something no one on *nix has done. ;-)

I wish Apple had Open Sourced their PP import/export code, but they didn't. I am hoping they did a good job with their file format which could be a much greater gift. Hopefully some Free projects will see fit to support Apple's new open file format, and maybe even adopt it as their native format. Of course my fear is that this file format could be as poorly designed as I hear OO's is.

Awesome? Well, maybe for you. But I notice they don't have a benchmark against Opera itself..

Yep. Or OmniWeb. And they didn't optimally configure Chimera . Safari wins in Back/Forward speed, hands down, but over a 56K line it is no great performer in fetch speed. Pipelining and maybe a few other tweaks might hit it by the true 1.0, but I'm not too hopeful as Apple's support for modem users is nearly as bad a *nix's.

When will Mac zealots just give up and give PC's it's due?

Show me a PC and I will give it its due. The question is far to broad.

But innovation - people don't want that, they want things that can improve their life.

And MicroSoft doesn't give them either. =D

What is soooo bad with KHTML?

Don't know. Maybe its small size? Maybe its LGPL which forces Apple to only release changes to it and not their entire code base? Maybe because it is a small project with no other big corporate sponsors to fight?

I'm mildly annoyed that Mozilla doesn't have another sponsor (except it does since they are paying Hyatt and that allows him to continue developing on Mozilla/Chimera). I'm also mildly annoyed that Apple is supporting KDE rather than GNOME, but it has been pointed out many times that K is more corporate friendly (despite more companies throwing developers at GNOME). But I think this is by far the best choice for Apple, and for those still using Mac OS X's IE. To me Safari does not seem to be targeted at Mozilla/Chimera/Netscape/OmniWeb/Opera users, just IE. Furthermore, for most IE users it is a better program.

Actually, for a long long time, IE was the most compliant browser. Now, they haven't updated MSHTML for a couple of years already, except for minor features. Maybe IE 7.0 would herald a big change, *if* it is released.

Yep, and the Mac version(s) actually fix a couple of bugs that MS didn't see fit to fix on Windows. Even if it is the best, that is no reason to let it be the only.

However, you must realize that MSHTML is based on Mosaic. At some point of its life, it is bound to face the problems Netscape had with its Mosaic-based rendering engine. Maybe Microsoft is rewriting... who knows?

Interesting, although I thought MS did a major rewrite of their rendering engine.