Linked by David Adams on Tue 7th Jan 2003 18:05 UTC
Apple Steve Jobs just announced in his Macworld Keynote that Apple is releasing its own browser, called Safari. Its claim to fame is extremely fast performance on the Mac. The Mac platform has struggled from sluggish browser performance with IE (the old default browser). Update: According to Jobs, Safari is open source and based on khtml. It only runs on Mac OS X and will be available for download today.
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Re: Re: My take on Safari
by rajan r on Thu 9th Jan 2003 14:38 UTC

I tried Safari without the texturing, and it was good. If you have project builder you can change it yourself, otherwise just ask and I can send you the modified file (< 24K).

I don't have to use Visual Basic to change IE's look that goes against Windows HI Guidelines, now would I? Out of the box, for something made for consumers, they are better off laying off the brushed metal for ALL their apps. Or put brush metal for EVERYTHING. They have been the biggest proponent of consistency, what's wrong with this picture?

Other than the front end they are something no one on *nix has done. ;-)

Oh really? Things like OpenPresenter and KPresenter don't exist?

I am hoping they did a good job with their file format which could be a much greater gift.

So at first you say Keynote's format is good, yet..

Of course my fear is that this file format could be as poorly designed as I hear OO's is.

... you fear it is not good at all. Besides, OOo's XML file formats isn't all that bad. It is at least human-readable. Anyway, I'm against a unified file format. Maybe export and import filters, but that's it.

Show me a PC and I will give it its due.

Are you saying that you never saw a PC before?

And MicroSoft doesn't give them either. =D

Actually, Microsoft gives the latter, things that improves people's life. For example, go to a randomly picked company that uses Windows workstations. Go over to a secretary's workstation and see how well and fast she uses Office.

So maybe for you Microsoft provides neither, but for many they provide the latter. For some, they provide both.

Maybe its small size?

What's so bad about that?

Maybe its LGPL which forces Apple to only release changes to it and not their entire code base?

And how this differ from Gecko? Besides, I don't see this as a bad thing. Linux is definately going to be the second most used OS. While Konqueror, IMHO (there is, obviously, no real numbers) have been growing in popularity and is around No. 2 or 3, so they could benefit from having the same rendering engine as Konqueror.

Plus the fact that KHTML is portable due to Qt.

I'm also mildly annoyed that Apple is supporting KDE rather than GNOME

They support neither. They could have used GtkHtml, but that would be so dumb there isn't a proper word to call it.

Furthermore, for most IE users it is a better program.

Except for those using OS 9, which IE is really probably their best choice (there are more OS 9 users than OS X). Besides, there is rumours Microsoft would be release IE 6.0. Maybe that would be rather major..

Yep, and the Mac version(s) actually fix a couple of bugs that MS didn't see fit to fix on Windows.

Well, to point out that IE for Mac uses a rather different rendering engine than IE for Windows. Albeit both are still based on Mosaic.

Interesting, although I thought MS did a major rewrite of their rendering engine.

Well, go to Help > About IE and there is this passage "Based on NCSA Mosaic. NCSA Mosaic(TM); was developed at the National Center for Supercomputing Applications at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign"

They are supposed pay a certain percentage of royalty to NCSA, but since IE was released as free, guess NCSA didn't earn anything. But then accroading to all pro-Windows sites, MSN Explorer would be the new IE, and there's a charge for MSN Explorer, so I guess royalties..