Linked by David Adams on Tue 7th Jan 2003 18:05 UTC
Apple Steve Jobs just announced in his Macworld Keynote that Apple is releasing its own browser, called Safari. Its claim to fame is extremely fast performance on the Mac. The Mac platform has struggled from sluggish browser performance with IE (the old default browser). Update: According to Jobs, Safari is open source and based on khtml. It only runs on Mac OS X and will be available for download today.
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Re: Re: Re: My take on Safari
by nnooiissee on Fri 10th Jan 2003 05:15 UTC

I don't have to use Visual Basic to change IE's look that goes against Windows HI Guidelines, now would I? Out of the box, for something made for consumers, they are better off laying off the brushed metal for ALL their apps. Or put brush metal for EVERYTHING. They have been the biggest proponent of consistency, what's wrong with this picture?


As far as I know IE is uncustomizable, aside from displaying a picture behind the toolbars. But anyway, it was just an offer. I can work with the native Aqua, or the textured version. I really don't care. IMHO Java's Metal theme is about as good as it gets. The only thing I am protective of is Modern (although Orbit can be nice): I like knowing that my browser will have the same look wherever I am.

Oh really? Things like OpenPresenter and KPresenter don't exist?

Hadn't looked at OpenPresenter or KPresenter. KPresenter looks rudimentary and doesn't seem to have had any activity in the last four months, and I couldn't find anything on OpenPresentor on OO.org or google.

So at first you say Keynote's format is good, yet you fear it is not good at all. Besides, OOo's XML file formats isn't all that bad. It is at least human-readable. Anyway, I'm against a unified file format. Maybe export and import filters, but that's it.

I'm saying that I think it is a good thing that Apple is using an open format for Keynote's files, but I haven't seen any of its files. I hope they did a good enough job to be worthy of copying.

Not sure what you are refering to as a "unified file format." Something like MS Office or OOo with mixed WP and spread sheet and more data in one file? If so then I agree with you.

Are you saying that you never saw a PC before?

Alienware's computers must suck because HP makes sucky computers. Dell's computers must be small and quiet because I saw this computer with a ATA Flex motherboard and it was so small!

If you want me to make a blanket statement about PCs than I will be going with "PCs suck." I could say about anything about them and have it be true. How about PCs are cool because they have coper cases (yes, I have seen one): that is really giving them their due.

All I'm saying is it is like asking me my oppinion of matter.

For some, they provide both.

Fair enough.

From my post:
Don't know. Maybe its small size? Maybe its LGPL which forces Apple to only release changes to it and not their entire code base? Maybe because it is a small project with no other big corporate sponsors to fight?

I hope you realized I was completely joking here. I'm going to take all of your arguments against my arguments as jokes.

Except for those using OS 9, which IE is really probably their best choice (there are more OS 9 users than OS X).

Yeah. Except that Safari isn't competing for OS 9 users: it is OS X only.

Besides, there is rumours Microsoft would be release IE 6.0. Maybe that would be rather major..

And maybe Safari has helped to spur them on. Safari is here now, IE 6 isn't (here being relative).

Well, to point out that IE for Mac uses a rather different rendering engine than IE for Windows. Albeit both are still based on Mosaic.

That is about what I thought. OTOH, it is possible that IE is close to a total rewrite now.

They are supposed pay a certain percentage of royalty to NCSA, but since IE was released as free, guess NCSA didn't earn anything. But then accroading to all pro-Windows sites, MSN Explorer would be the new IE, and there's a charge for MSN Explorer, so I guess royalties..

Ha! Deal with the devil and you are going to get burned.