Linked by Eugenia Loli on Mon 17th Mar 2003 22:49 UTC
Graphics, User Interfaces So many operating systems and so many graphical desktop environments... This article is a comparison of the UI and usability of several Desktop Environments (DEs), that have been widely used, admired and reviled: Windows XP Luna, BeOS 6 (Dano/Zeta), Mac OS X Aqua and Unix's KDE and Gnome. Read on which one got our best score on our long term test and usage.
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by oGALAXYo on Wed 19th Mar 2003 13:31 UTC

Excuse me but you are cutting things out of context here:

To answer your question about this 'looks like'. I thought you were follwing all sorts of GNOME threads here so I was in the assumtion that you know the issues about GConf that I have brought up. I expressed many times that GConf for example caused a lot of problems for various developers specially the installation and use of Schema files caused a lot of problems. I have a good example of that still visible infront of me where some Galeon developers had hard and nasty times getting their stuff running and all sorts of people came into the channel and where complaining about GConf and Schema files issue. Even today there are a lot of Programs within GNOME (and I speak about the core itself) that has issues with installing Schema files correctly or crash when started up the first time because of not being able to find any configurations and so on. Theoretical techtalk about how advanced something is and then the practical use of it are two different things. And going one step further, what was wrong with the old way of storing configurations ? Nothing. the lame excuse that Administrators can use GConf to set global values is more a technological idea than something that has been proven to work in the practice. And to top all this it's also a matter of personal taste that I don't want to deny here.

The Amiga concern, yes you are not untrue with what you say. Multiple Toolbars made on their own or simulated by putting pushbuttons on the Top, MUI, GadTools, Reactive, ASL, ReqTools sure, all this is right but you forget how old AmigaOS, Kickstart and Workbench is, since early '90 there are no real enchancements for these things. Only some lame updates AmigaOS 3.5/3.9 but nothing API wise. I don't need to tell you about memoryprotection and other stuff. I think you are well aware of all this. But during that time (and even today in certain situations) AmigaOS is still supperior to anything similar. Specially the 512kb ROM (an entire Operating System), the Workbench. With 15-20 Mb you have a full working System anything similar these days that can beat it ? Regardless the fact of multiple Toolbars, MUI, GadTools, Reactive and whats else, there are usually Documentations for developers to work with that.

From todays perspective I would criticise many of these standalone solutions myself. And MorphOS for Pegasos solves many of the old issues e.g. Memoryprotection for new Programms, Control-Center like Preferences, MUI as standard Widgetset and so on, still lacks some stuff but all in all it's getting in the right direction and faster with fewer developers than GNOME offers for their public.

Do you want to compare the good old DirectoryOpus 4.1x, DiskMaster or DOpus Magellan II with Nautilus ? Nautilus won't even touch or sniff the ass of those applications offered on Amiga during these days. Do you wan't to measure how Icons is being placed on the Desktop or in an own Window with the way Nautilus does it nowadays on GNOME ? Yet again Nautilus won't even be able to do half what the normal Workbench was able to do, e.g. Layouting Icons in the Window, saving their state and so on. I think you have forget a lot after you left Amiga 1998 because of the death of the A4K. I did not forget all this.

Now let's get back to GNOME and KDE for the last moment before I discontinue this conversation. Today 2003, march, 19th I'm sitting here infront of Linux box, my only box, my only Operating System that I have decided for. Linux on the bottom layer is perfect here, has everything to offer for me, from customizability, logical installation of stuff and I'm really happy with it and not wanting to change it for anything else because from the console point of view it's perfect and I can do all I like (Vim, LaTeX and so on).

But I'm also used to use a Desktop Environment and as many other people here I'am not illiterate about Windows. To say I have nothing against Windows and if I wasn't used so much to Linux I would switch to it anytime just to get over this sad sad sad situation with Linux Desktop alternatives. In all the semesters I have studied Computer and Economics Science I was missing a lot of stuff on Linux like standard applications to get my work done. Work that brings me forward in my studies, work that makes me earn money, work that is relevant for business and customers that pay millions for an IT project. These apps are only available on Windows. That's a fact and can't be denied. Now I as many others try to find opensource counterparts for these applications, who are able to import and export the informations required. Now, what does GNOME offer ? and what does KDE offer ? Do you see something ? KDE offers most of the apps to do exactly this kind of task. UML with Umbrello (they work on import and export Rational Rose files), Visio (Kivio as counterpart to do DIN 60001 (?) EDV Diagramms for Work), KPresenter to do Powerpoint like presentations. That's relevant for me. That's what I need and I don't plan to wait another 5 years for someone to bring up the same apps for GNOME while KDE offers them already. I'm also quite sure that many other good applications are being offered on KDE really soon and I'm also sure that writing good importers and exporters and enchance the app in general will be easier on KDE than on GNOME.

I don't need yet another MP3 player or other fancy mediaplayer. I need tools that does the work and using the good parts from Windows (as used in KDE) is nothing bad and it's easier for Windows users to get familar with KDE from easy play than with GNOME.