Linked by Adam S on Wed 30th Apr 2003 07:26 UTC
Linux Lately, we've all read a lot of articles about desktop Linux - so many that it's getting hard to tell them apart. One says "Why Linux Sucks," the next "My Success With Linux." Even Michael Robertson of joined the fun with his "Why Desktop Linux Sucks, Today." But very few people have proposed anything radical, and I believe that's what's needed to take GNU/Linux to the next level.
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Re: Re: This is Silly (to Eugenia)
by Gabriel on Wed 30th Apr 2003 00:29 UTC

You should have read what I wrote and deleted... I thought what I posted was the palatable version.

Never said MacOS X wasn't Unix. Where did you get that from?

I am not now, nor have I ever been 'leet'. I like evolution just fine. Unix isn't the same as it was 10 or 20 years ago. Though being a Unix-head does suit me just fine.

I don't mind things that are new. I think there are lots of neat operating system projects out there, like Zeta, FreeVMS, SkyOS, to name a few. They aren't just adulterated Unices, and they don't pretend to be.

Unix is the philosophy, yes. We have seen POSIX implemented by OSs that didn't have this spirit (like WinNT). The filesystem? So far, yeah, it is. It may not be the best choice, but if the only real objection is you can understand it the first time you encounter it, I don't see a good reason to change it. The kernel architecture? Well, yeah, the system call interface, though obviously underneath you are free to do whatever you need to.

But let's just get straight to the reason I said what I did (which was: don't call it Linux/Unix if it isn't). I don't want to show up for work one day having to use DistroX, or find that half of the packages that used to compile just fine on a dozen platforms now don't because of some kooky changes they made to pander to something made for people who could use any old kernel to make this monstrosity, and don't appreciate what it is they are trying to change.

I do kind of like starting a post with "You are wrong." That's pretty cheeky ... ;)

>> If you want to make a distribution that is nothing like Unix, please do us a favor and call it "Nothing Like Unix". ..There is a Unix spirit

>You are wrong. What is Unix anyway?? The philosophy, the >filesystem or the libraries? Or the kernel architecture?
>MacOSX is neither of what you want Unix to be, but it still >IS a Unix. You like it or not.
>It is because of people like you that Unix is still today >as arcane as it was 10 and 20 years ago. Because you don't >like evolution. It makes you shiver. You dread in the >possibility you will lose the l33t position you got among >your friends and co-workers of being the "unix head".

>Things will need to evolve people. And that includes Unix. >MacOSX is one step, Adam's effort could be another one. >Heck, even Linux itself is an evolution over unix, but it >is elitists like you who can't grasp the idea of "new".