Mandrake Linux 10.0 is now available to club members and in packaged sets. According to the press release, “Mandrakelinux 10.0 Official offers the most advanced Linux features currently available. 10.0 Official provides increased performance with Linux kernel 2.6, an enhanced desktop experience with KDE 3.2, GNOME 2.4 and Mandrakegalaxy II, unbeatable hardware recognition, and support for Serial ATA, USB2 and IEEE 1394.” The Mandrakelinux 10.0 Official FTP tree will be released this week, and public ISO images will be released later.
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They will hopefully make some more $$ from this official release by putting support behind the new 2.6 series kernel. Its a shame they didn’t hold out for Gnome 2.6 though, although I realise they are more KDE orientated.
inaccurate. MDK is desktop agnostic. it was decided that 10.0 would have GNOME 2.4 six months ago, at the start of the development cycle. You can go read the mail on the Cooker archives if you like. 10.0 Official would never have GNOME 2.6, as it is intended to be *stabilised* from 10.0 Community, not introduce big new features. GNOME 2.6 may go into 10.0 Community in the next few months, keep an eye out for it.
I already have gnome 2.6 here, with mdk 10.0 community. It’s just a matter of searching good packages
Keep workin’, Mandrake guys!
Did I get it right that they don’t ship the powerpack edition with samba, apache, mysql, and other server tools any more ( http://www.mandrakesoft.com/products/10/comparison )?
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Rob
That would be odd. but didnt community come with those. I would assume official would do. If not one could search online using mandrakes install for the packages I’m guessing. Hmm… well that is odd.
Yes, you’re right. The community edition had them. Would be very strange if they don’t ship with these very standard packages. Maybe they just don’t include a tool for administration in the powerpack edition.
I hope this will be clear soon because it would be really a reason for me not to buy the new official powerpack box (powerpack+ is too expensive for me…)
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Rob
I’ve been using Mandrake 10 CE since it came out. It had a few bugs at the start, but they’ve all been ironed out with the updates. It’s a really fantastic desktop distro; it looks great, it’s fast and the defaults are good. For example, the default install doesn’t have 10 different applications for the same purpose. The new version of KDE is well worth the upgrade alone, with incremental improvements to all applications, it’s quicker and more consistant.
The new Power Pack edition does not come with any of the server software.
I guess they will go out of business after all.
Without that software, what is the point? That is why I bought the software in the first place!!!!
If any Mandrake developers are out there, remember REDHAT. They turned their backs on the community and now everyone is migrating to a new distro. This will also happen to you. Why buy anything from you if it doesn’t fit our needs at a descent price?
Does anyone know if this also covers SATA Raid configurations based around the Canterwood chipset?
That alone would make me purchase this as NO Linux distributions have gotten this working yet (to my knowledge).
Where can I find a package list for the CDs that are in Powerpack, powerpack+, discovery and an extra CD for standard club members. I can’t seem to find them enywhere. All I see is the list for download edition
Thanks
Does the official release have the same kernel that 10 Community has or a more updated one?
Perhaps it’s time now for eugenia to do another review … They are a lot of little bugs that have been fixed. (althought the draktools related complains still holds …)
Now it is mysteriously gone.
It really is ashame how greedy some organizations can become. Usually backfires, though.
http://www.mandrakesoft.com/products/10/mainfeatures/#15
Good question.
From “http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/10.0/features/15.php3“ it seems that all these are available in download edition. But considering that Powerpack has only 2 CDs + Live CD they could pretty much ommit those unfortunately. This is a pain for dial-up users
I was also itching for a powerpack but now I am beginning to see that Download edition has more development apps in it. But I am still disappointed not seing Gimp 2 and XFCE4 in there. OO.o 1.1.1 with over 500 bugfixes is not there also.
What is the point in having a Linux box without these packages? The greatest strengths of Linux was the avalability of server packages for a low price.
Not only that, these packages once came with the PowerPack Edition. Becuase the company is desperate to make money, they pull a “RedHat” and start charging an unrealistic sum for their software.
They seem to forget that they are not Microsoft. They cannot dictate to their customers what they will recieve. It is unfortunate because Mandrake was the last commercial distro that stayed true to the community.
Just when Linux was about to take off, the greed starts to kick in………
Thank God there are other Distros.
I dont know where you got the information that powerpack is only 2 cd + live cd.
But I can download 5 powerpack official cds just like the community version.
The new Power Pack edition does not come with any of the server software.
Ludicrous. The usual server software are available, Powerpack is still a 5 CD set (7 in box, with 2 CDs for the sources)…
Not According to their website!!!!!
http://www.mandrakesoft.com/products/10/comparison
You seem to be right. The server software available to everyone through the mirrors (which are being repaired), just using urpmi.
I am downloading the isos, this is strange since they were in the Community version, and moreover, they are freely available on mirrors. I’ll tell you if they are in when I have finished the download.
If the Powerpack doesn’t come with Samba than I won’t be buying it. It’s a shame too, because I was actually going to. I can’t believe they would ship a Linux distro without Samba in this day and age. That would be like Microsoft shipping a version of Windows that didn’t have any file/print sharing. Just plain dumb.
See you in the abyss, Mandrake.
>>I am downloading the isos, this is strange since they were in the Community version, and moreover, they are freely available on mirrors. I’ll tell you if they are in when I have finished the download.
We’re talking about the Powerpack edition, not the Download Edition. We know the download edition will have Samba and the other server software. Right now it looks, perplexingly, like the Powerpack Edition will not. Why would anyone buy that if the free download edition is more complete?
available through urpmi?
We’re talking about the Powerpack edition, not the Download Edition.
Me too, I am downloading Powerpack right now. It comes with 5CDs. I doubt that on 5 CDs Samba is not included.
Mandrake is a good distro, but I still prefer good old slack.
Mandrake has raised the price of its Discovery Edition to $49.95 while Suse has reduced the price of its personal edition to $29.99. Suse is an excellent distribution and if it is also cheaper why should any one buy Mandrake?
Sorry, Powerpack has CDs. I mixed that with Discovery pack.
samba, apache, mysql… it’s all there.
I don’t understand why everyone is so upset? Are they really not going to include these packages with the PowerPack? If so, that is not cool, but…. oh well, SuSE here I come.
Seems to me, with Nvidia drivers, more games, etc, that the power pack is targetted more at a Desktop user. This is probably why it doesn’t come with all the server applications. Go with the regular edition if a server is what you’re after. But man, like someone else said, just install things with urpmi if you really need them on the power pack. And Eclipse, who’s the idiot here buddy? There’s no dependency problems with urpmi. Heck, there’s even a nice little gui for ya.
If you have thousands of machines that means that you can afford the PowerPack+ unless you are some 3rd world country. $262 is only $150 more, but spread out ouver even a thousand computers that is 15cents more per computer. Really you should be able to afford that. There is being price concious and then there is being cheap. You don’t need to buy a set per computer.
The point isn’t that the packages are free, the point is that they’re hobbling their product to convince you to pay more for the Super-Pro-Plus-Ultra version which only has that name because the other versions had software removed.
This is probably a reaction to the pressures from Bankruptcy. Things look ugly for the future if this is the direction they’re headed.
Anyone? I do not have Mandrake Club, so I’m out, but if the reviews are good…
To make it clear, you can still download the rpms from FTP, and URPMI will still solve dependency problems for you, and download the extra packagaes that you need all by itself. That’s the beauty of URPMI.
shame mandrake didnt include Gnome 2.6 even though Mandrake is more of a KDE oriented company, the question will be will mandrake survive this an not go bankrupt, Redhat must be laffing at them by not including some packages in powerpack from what ivé read.
I have not checked if it is true that some server packages are missing, but if so:
-Probably they are trying to simplify their customer services. Now since Servers are not officially in the package you bought, then they don’t have to support them
-You can still get all software from URPMI mirrors and urpmi will resolve all dependencies. For people who need to deploy this will require a some additional simple steps:
1. Download additional packages using the –noclean option in a NFS share that any workstation can access.
2. Add this share as an URPMI source to required workstations.
3. Use urpmi in each workstation to add/upgrade packages as necessary.
I know it is a little more work, but if someone is so worried about time in 10000000 workstations … you can always install everything in a single one, configure everything properly, create an image of the HDD, and then use that image in every workstation. That would be a proper CM approach, even if the missing packages were already in the CD’s.
– I think this approach, even if is step back from what we all took for granted as a Mandrake release, is a step foward in defining what a COMMERCIAL distro should look like. I mean, you just can’t throw every single package out there just because they are free … QA and Customer Services costs would be too big, or Customer Service would suck and Bugs will be everywhere (hmm that reminds me of …). Most commercial distros charge for the additional work of making a little more consistent enviroment, fixing some of the bugs and providing additional tools and services.
– For people complaining, they can always move to other distro’s if those offer something more appealing. Freedom of choice !!
Will people stop saying server packages are not included; it simply is not true. You can get them from the CDs and from the online urpmi databases. Why on earth would Mandrake just eliminate all server support with their new distro? Everyone on this board is complaining about there not being server software without even using Mandrake and jumping the gun from some misinformed opinions.
Actualmly I guess there is an error in the Apache Story. Actually what they call “Powerpack plus” is the former “Prosuite” pack for servers. Thus powerpack contains the same server packages than before.
That would be nice to get a confirmation from Mandrake.
That site looks fraudulent. The administrator has a hotmail account and the site’s domain is registered in Ecuador. The page looks very unprofessional and the site just recently went up.
I would not give these people a single penny before making sure that they are legitimate. Plus you may as well give your money to Mandrake to make sure development continues, rather than to someone who is just profiting from Mandrake’s hard work.
OK, the Powerpack DOES contain the server software, this is obviously a lack of precision.
Package content are here :
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/distro/10.0-pwp.cd
I have wrote Mandrake so that they can correct the table. Obviously the “Powerpack+” is the former Prosuite.
I don’t know if the PowerPack actually lacks server software, but if it does, hey, get over it.
Yes, Linux is free, and that’s one of the great things about it, but distro makers gotta survive. So, yes, they’re going to SELL their distro, and they’re going to try to encourage people to buy it rather than downloading it, and they’re going to try to figure out how to get people to buy the SUPER-DOOPER-ULTRA version at that.
The “Free” part of Linux is that, hey, if you don’t like it, make your own distro. You can even download Mandrake’s source and everything. Hell, you’re even free to download Mandrake’s product, pre-built, no charge, just a little bit more trouble to you than having it already on CD. The “Free” nature of Linux allows and promotes these things, but, in no way does it prohibit a company from trying to make a buck from refining and adding value to a Linux OS distribution.
In fact, a good portion of the money you pay to buy a distro goes back into development. It HAS to, or the distro won’t make money. To complain that, “oh no, Mandrake is providing a free product, but those bastards are trying to get me to BUY their free product, just so they can make money!” is stupid and childish. It’s the sort of thing that makes me wonder if everyone here is really 13 years old.
Definitely, it does not lack the server software : it has been confirmed on club :
http://www.mandrakeclub.com/article.php?sid=1916
The links at the end of the article show the CD contents.
The “Powerpack+” is just the former Prosuite.
i can see why they would not package a server like apache on the propack but why not package samaba? if you dont have samba you cant access windows networks, so if you have more then one pc at home and one of them is running windows then you can share stuff like files and printers with the mandrake pc.
and that article on mandrake club didnt say mutch. i actualy came out more confused after it then before.
the only place i have seen samba listed as in was in that package list that someone linked to…
With the samba, et al not being packaged. They are, that guy was misinformed or a troll. Drop it!
Offcourse all mandrake version have Apache …
The difrence is… (don’t know off the discovery)
You get more support if you pay. DUH!!!
Else you simple have to hit the install button for Apache and other servers. And volà they are installed.
Updates will come via Mandrake urpmi.
I think its the best out there. And going to buy some more stocks.
If you would take another look at the table, at they URL that was listed MUCH earlier in this discussion, it is now different than what was reported earlier.
http://www.mandrakesoft.com/products/10/comparison
Where you will find, under the Powerpack (NOT “+”)
the following:
Basic Server Functions
Samba 3.0, Apache 2.0.48, MySQL 4.0.18
IS checkmarked.
Yes, uprmi is nice, but apt-rmp, particularly with synaptic is even easier.
Have a nice day, and have fun running out to buy the Powerpack edition with the server packages…
Now, I wonder if they’ll put out a DVD edition?
6 CDs is a bit much.