http://www.osnews.com/story/10445/Impressions_of_Fedora_Core_4_Test_2 Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2012, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Wed, 15 Feb 2012 09:20:04 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif http://www.osnews.com http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? Xen in FC4 will be really cool. Thu, 28 Apr 2005 23:08:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? Please stop it with all the Fedora propaganda. How many more articles of the Fedora we are gonna see. "Impressions of FD4", "2 Weeks of FD4", "Nothing but FD4", "Why FD4 is going to be great", "FD4 Is the Savior". What else can we possibly hear about it. Yes it is a good distro, it's all right, and everything but there are more interesting things happening out there. Thu, 28 Apr 2005 23:36:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? RPM dependancies are handled by yum, EXACTLY like dpkg is handled by apt-get.
Fedora is not optimized for i386
There will NEVER be MP3 support, oceans 12, or starwars installed by default.
Yes you can boot from one CD its called "minimal installation"
We know ubunto's URL.
If you want boot speed improvement disable SElinux, RHN applet and any services you don't want.

Am I missing anything?
Okay please continue being ontopic from here on out. TY Fri, 29 Apr 2005 00:24:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? nice summary; short, to the point. that's what i like to see. i'll look forward to the final release. Fri, 29 Apr 2005 00:30:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? It didn't make it into FC4-t2, but there was a recent thread on the FC development list about how to get the login screen started before all services have started:

http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2005-April/msg00416...

As a tester, I have to say that the improvement was significant and helpful. Fri, 29 Apr 2005 00:36:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=319&sli... Fri, 29 Apr 2005 00:50:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? I've always been frustrated with Fedora's boot time, even when nothing extra has been installed. FC2 was the worse, I believe. So is it much faster? If so, I might actually give it another go Fri, 29 Apr 2005 00:57:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? I doubt it. But you can articially speedup those boot scripts in less than admirable ways... Fri, 29 Apr 2005 01:05:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? search mailing list for 'early login' .. all the details are there on how to enable it. its pretty alpha but no doubt will improve before fc4 final is out. Fri, 29 Apr 2005 01:56:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? Wow.... great review. Very informative and succinct!

I like how the author doesn't waste time boring us with tireless, verbose, and useless descriptions... like how many times it took to get a working CD image downloaded.... or dwelling on some absurd error that the reviewer caused in the first place.

mad props to this reviewer. I'd like to see more like this. Fri, 29 Apr 2005 03:52:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? Good article, giving a good feeling of what FC4 is going to be. It helps deciding whether to install FC4 (when available), or stay with FC3.

I wish there were more useful reviews such as this one.

I am curious about the speed improvements. Any benchmark or idea of how long it takes comapred to FC3 ?

Rating:8/10 Fri, 29 Apr 2005 03:59:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? Startup isn't that bad.. by far I spend most of my startup waiting for my ECC ram to initialize itself, then waiting for my reiserfs partitions to mount. I wish I could switch them to ext3, but there's no way I'm putting all that data on cds.. Fri, 29 Apr 2005 04:00:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? I wish there was a way to rate article and authors, that way readers could immediately spot quality contributors (such as that one) or quality sites (such as arstechnica) linked from OSNews.

That's out of scope though, so feel freek to moderate this comment down... Fri, 29 Apr 2005 04:06:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? Thanks for this. I am a dedicated Mac user but I see a Fedora box in my future!

Bill Penishead M.D. Fri, 29 Apr 2005 04:33:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? IT'S THE FIIIIINAAAAALLL COOOOOUNTDOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWN

DO DA DOOOO DOOOOOOOO
DO DA DOO DOO DOOOOOO
DO DA DOOOO DOOOOOOOO
DO Da DOO DOO DOO DOO DOOOOOOO Fri, 29 Apr 2005 04:47:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? there are a couple of GUI frontends for yum

Yumex
http://linux.rasmil.dk/cms/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=...


GYUM
http://fedoranews.org/tchung/gyum/ Fri, 29 Apr 2005 05:12:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? Lot of java stuff in in default install finally, probably some does not like it but i do.

And eclipse is not just tool for greating java applications. Fri, 29 Apr 2005 05:38:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? Good to see FC keeping up there distro and not letting Ubuntu steel the spotlight. Speed improvements are a great improvements that almost everyone will welcome. Fri, 29 Apr 2005 05:45:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? Hmm is it me or are there a lot of menu entries missing in KDE in fc4r2? For example Kontrol and Settings entry. Fri, 29 Apr 2005 06:56:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? Looks like Khrist has abandoned you. Fri, 29 Apr 2005 07:22:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? Hmm is it me or are there a lot of menu entries missing in KDE in fc4r2? For example Kontrol and Settings entry.

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these might have been bugs. please file them in bugzilla.redhat.com Fri, 29 Apr 2005 07:27:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? To all,
Thank you for the feedback. Glad to hear this review was really helpful and will inspire future reviewers.

Re: GUIs for yum (Yellowdog Updater, Modified)
Both GYUM and Yumex crashed after startup on FC4T2 due to the internal change of yum. Yumex creator is working on that issue with developers' help. Frontend yum will uses python API.

Hmm is it me or are there a lot of menu entries missing in KDE in fc4r2? For example Kontrol and Settings entry.
What do you mean? I never heard that before. If you means Control Panel, it is there. Fri, 29 Apr 2005 07:40:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? Oke i got my missing menu entries back, after yum updating the machine. And hell KDE is starting up FAST Fri, 29 Apr 2005 11:52:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? >> Looks like Khrist has abandoned you.

Hahhaa... I liked this I just can't get it why KDE always has to put some stupid K's in front of everything Fri, 29 Apr 2005 13:24:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? Hahhaa... I liked this I just can't get it why KDE always has to put some stupid K's in front of everything

'Kause it's Kool! Fri, 29 Apr 2005 16:17:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? I suggest everyone to try SMART, a new package manager that handles better dependancy problems than APT or YUM.

Plus it manages prorities and have a GUI... and much more.
It also works on other distros, for those who use Debian or Mandrake for example.

Have a look at this tuto (to install it): http://fedoranews.org/blog/?p=573

Frankly, it's better than YUM or APT and it's maintained by the guy who made Synaptic and the APT-RPM port for RPM-based distros. Fri, 29 Apr 2005 17:37:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? try...

#>up2date -uv --nosig

works everytime. since this is a beta release i_set up2date to not ignore kernel packages Sat, 30 Apr 2005 16:56:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? In the typical, every day use of a system, I don't bang it particularly hard. Though I am a software developer/maintainer/administrator/consultant, on a day to day basis, I probably use an Email client, a Web browser, and a text editor far more than anything else, and some days, that is all that I use. Other times, I do hit the package management system pretty hard because I DO like to TEST a lot of software (testing is my main interest these days rather than heavy development).

Fedora Core 4 Test 2 did a reasonably good job in my personal tests. One oddity that I've found in my personal configuration is this: I set up my systems to set their hardware clock to the local time. When I run Libranet, my preferred every day system, it respects my local time and realizes that current local time is set to EDT, Eastern Daylight Savings Time. A few distributions seem to get this backward (in fact, a Libranet Beta test not too long ago got it backward, too). Fedora Core 4 Test 2 messes with the hardware clock and sets to UTC, when in reality it's local time. The check box in the installation says to check it IF you use UTC. I did NOT check it because I do NOT use UTC, so it screwed up my clock. I found the command line utility hwclock and used it to fix this minor quirk.

All else went surprisingly well, in fact, well enough that I used it as my desktop system for about 12-18 hours, and left it on overnight with no mishaps.

It's not show time for Fedora Core 4 Test 2, but the fact that it's already usable for a routine desktop system bodes well for it. The installer is already reasonably clean, there are undoubtedly some bugs out there (as evidenced by the traffic in the fedora-test-list Digest). Nevertheless, I think that Fedora Core 4, when released, is likely to be the best release out there yet.

I think the reviewer did a good job of portraying where things stand, and he reviewed more specifics than what interests me at the moment, but I found a similar experience, overall, a positive one for a test release. Mon, 02 May 2005 01:32:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments