http://www.osnews.com/story/11011/Introducing_New_OSNews_Staff Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2009, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:13:24 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif http://www.osnews.com http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? The J2EE open source story he posted today and the one posted yesterday.

So is Thom double-dipping with his web site or did he close up shop on that? Tue, 28 Jun 2005 17:12:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? If so an alternative route could have been to pay freelance writers to write articles for OSNews. A lot of other sites already do this. I know you guys get a lot of submissions for free but money does have a magical way of encouraging people. Tue, 28 Jun 2005 17:14:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Nobody at OSNews is paid. If we had to pay our contributors, it would be such a small sum that it would be an insult to the hard work that they put in. :-) Tue, 28 Jun 2005 17:18:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Probably not. Eugenia has said that OSNews might bring in $70/month in ad revenue.

I miss Eugenia already. Tue, 28 Jun 2005 17:19:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Dave,

As I told you in the corresponding thread, there was no dupe. One item was the announcement that Sun might open Java-- the item today was the release itself as mentioned by Jonathan Schwarz.

According to your logic, the item saying: "Apple To Switch Intel" and a few days later "Jobs: Apple To Switch To Intel" are also dupes.

I hope you understand it now. If not, feel free to email me. Tue, 28 Jun 2005 17:23:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? $70/month?! No way. With all those hits. I bet most of the ads on this site are pay per click.

I heard a rumor once OSNews gets around 200k visitors a day. Doesn't Google Adsense pay per 1000 page views? Wouldn't that increase the ad revenue? Tue, 28 Jun 2005 17:24:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? And how many of them are gnome fanboys ? Tue, 28 Jun 2005 17:24:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Here's the final straw for Eugenia. The linux zealots ruined everything from what was great "technical" content 3 or so years ago.

http://slashdot.org/~Eugenia%20Loli/journal/109712 Tue, 28 Jun 2005 17:26:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? And as a general reply, some people have been asking me what will happen to my previous "employer", http://www.expert-zone.com .

Expert-Zone, which isn't owned by me but by Andrew Youll, will go in the fridge. This means that the site will remain up, because other sites have linked to EZ and its articles. Me and Andrew have a had a lot of fun with Expert Zone, but it's final future isn't yet known. For now, it will just remain up.

I'm very happy to be part of OSNews now, and I hope I can do my thing succesfully here. Tue, 28 Jun 2005 17:26:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Thankfully, we do make more than $70 per month, considering that our monthly hosting and management bill is like ten times that. Tue, 28 Jun 2005 17:29:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? One GNOME fanboy leaves, the other arrives.

http://www.expert-zone.com/index.php?module=announce&ANN_user_o...
http://www.expert-zone.com/index.php?module=announce&ANN_user_o...
http://www.expert-zone.com/index.php?module=announce&ANN_user_o...
http://www.expert-zone.com/index.php?module=announce&ANN_user_o... Tue, 28 Jun 2005 17:30:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Thom and Andrew!

I hope Eugenia will still post articles/rants on software and linux. Tue, 28 Jun 2005 17:31:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? You've already dip.t-dialiners that are bitter that you aren't a KDE fanboy.

I guess it would only be "fair" if OSNews pulled an Ubuntu and spun off a KDEOSNews.com site ala Kubuntu. Tue, 28 Jun 2005 17:35:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? ... a dramatic new commenting system that promises to cut down the signal-to-noise ratio in the comments

I sincerely hope that you mean the opposite

Will Tue, 28 Jun 2005 17:36:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Yes, I kind of messed up my metaphor there, didn't I? I meant to improve the signal-to-noise ratio. Tue, 28 Jun 2005 17:39:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? > You've already dip.t-dialiners that are bitter that you
> aren't a KDE fanboy.

Dave, that's not the point. The point was that Eugenia made this site nearly a defacto GNOME related site. Presenting all kind of stuff here even if not suited to be presented here (personal blogs, misinterpreted articles, wrong facts etc.) I recently found out that Adam himself (?) was a former RedHat employee which made me understand quite some stuff why this site was so GNOME centric. Now I spent some time investigating who these two new youngsters are and from their articles shown at the former site I figured out that both of them are quite GNOME centric too. So I worry whether this site OSNews is or can become an independant neutral place for unbiased optinions or whether we have to deal with GNOME centric stuff again, over and over and over. Making everything GNOME related become a hype and everything KDE related a mess. A considerable point to worry about. Tue, 28 Jun 2005 17:40:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? oGALAXYo, is that you? Tue, 28 Jun 2005 17:43:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? The point is that you are free to start your own site that is KDE centric. There's lots of crap around here that I don't like - ala the GNU zealot crowd, but I don't pay the bills so...

Anyway, you got the Qt4 story, what's your problem? Should OSNews be a mirror of dot.kde.org? Tue, 28 Jun 2005 17:44:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? If you would have looked at my latest entry, you would have seen that I just switched my Linux box over to Xfce...

http://thom-holwerda.blogspot.com/2005/06/switched-to-xfce.html

:D Tue, 28 Jun 2005 17:45:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Hehe, that's a gtk+ based desktop, so you'll still see the criticism from the dip-t-dialiners.

Maybe you should run fluxbox, with an equal number of QT/KDE and Gnome/Gtk+ apps Tue, 28 Jun 2005 17:47:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Actually, it was me who used to work at Red Hat, though I was in their e-commerce/webserver division and didn't have anything to do with Gnome, and I only use Linux on the server (though I think it makes a great server) so enough with your Gnome conspiracy theories.

Eugenia was engaged in the Gnome world, and I don't think anyone would deny that. However, she became involved in Gnome because she saw a need for some input, and an opportunity to launch a Gnome apps site like KDE already had. She got nothing but grief from Gnome heavies for her participation, and AFAIK, she rarely used Gnome for everyday desktop use. If you felt that OSNews was too Gnome centric, I'm afraid that nothing is going to change. We're still going to announce Gnome news, and if you can't handle that, then I'm sorry. Tue, 28 Jun 2005 17:48:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? The point that OSNews or Slashdot or any other tech organization is "biased" is moot. The same way that most general news organizations are biased. Take the CNN and Fox News analogy. Most people in America would say CNN is liberal, while Fox is conservative.
All news organizations try their best to be fair, but they are ultimately composed of individual and an individual, for better or worse, is nothing more than a bad mix of biases.
So the "solution" is not to go around asking people to change but to read different news sites. Have a balanced diet. This way you also ensure you get a better perspective on things. All in all, reading many different kinds of sites is the only way to be well informed. Tue, 28 Jun 2005 17:49:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? I enjoy reading this site, and it is often the first thing I visit when I get into work.

I'm sure i recognize Thom from the SkyOS forums, and I look forward to reading your articles. :-) Tue, 28 Jun 2005 17:51:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Damn, I wished they became the new bosses or something, and had Eugenia as "employer". That way they could make her keep up the good work, and in the mean time make her shut up so she doesn't rant like a teenager who just learned a new thingy and wants the world to recognise how smart he/she is... Tue, 28 Jun 2005 17:53:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? I only use Linux on the server

Oops...now you have to tell us what you use on the desktop. Tue, 28 Jun 2005 17:53:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? having her as "employee" would be even better Tue, 28 Jun 2005 17:54:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Nice to see some new faces. Tue, 28 Jun 2005 17:55:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? David uses Mac OS X most of the time, it's his main OS. He also has a Windows box around. But he doesn't have a desktop/workstation Linux box at all, only a server-in-a-closet kind of thing. Tue, 28 Jun 2005 18:03:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Thank you. Tue, 28 Jun 2005 18:03:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Yeah Eugenia, I miss you already. Thanks for the response. Tue, 28 Jun 2005 18:06:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Eugenia did a great job with this site, and I'm sure you guys will continue to do excellent work. Best of luck to you.

Also, thanks for working on a new commenting system. It's a much-needed feature that could make OSNews a lot better. Tue, 28 Jun 2005 18:09:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Eugenia, thank you for your service here! I'm very glad for you that you finally seem to be getting a life! OSNews have influenced my work by informing me about several important specific things I would have missed otherwise, and helping me see the big picture, too. So, thank you!
Cheers, and erase the trolls, the zealots and the technological worshippers from your memory .
As for OSNews, I hope it doesn't become more inhumane in the future. Tue, 28 Jun 2005 18:18:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? I hope Eugenia will change her mind , she is a very good technical writer who is very competent and knowleadgeable on many of the content she offer I may not agreee with it all of the time , but one feel that she is working really hard at giving the best possible content that she can offer.

If she is leaving for good it will be a great lost to this site and I hope the best for her in her new endeavor , if she decide to stay and concentrate on her article writing It will just give her more time for more content ;-), which is a good thing in my book.

For the new guy welcome to the site as moderator/writer , and just dont moderate my post into oblivion ;-), I like some of your text so far ;-)

"But he doesn't have a desktop/workstation Linux box at all"

What !!! we found the traitor ;-) , now we must convert him at all cost ;-) BTW everyone know that Red Hat is not good for desktop ;-) Tue, 28 Jun 2005 18:35:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Good to see some new faces - welcome aboard Thom & Andrew Tue, 28 Jun 2005 18:38:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? sorry about the /. joke..

Welcome Thom and Andrew Tue, 28 Jun 2005 18:38:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? > She got nothing but grief from Gnome heavies for her
> participation

Yes this sadly is reflecting the reality and the personal experience I and others made. The GNOME camp is known for their rude practices. A good friend of mine wanted to start a female GNOME site specially for female people and the GNOME crowd told him to basicly f*sk off and they told him that his ideas are wrong, not applicable and bad. Now months later some RedHat females came up with the brilliant idea creating a female GNOME site and voila, they got CVS acces, mailinglist was created, full support. I think you need to have a good company behind your name to be worth something in an open community.

> If you felt that OSNews was too Gnome centric, I'm
> afraid that nothing is going to change. We're still
> going to announce Gnome news, and if you can't handle
> that, then I'm sorry.

Well it was quite GNOME centric due to the amount of articles. 2/3 of the stuff showing up here was usually related towards GNOME/MONO/GTK+/FREEDESKTOP or some GNOME crowd blogs and some other stuff and the far remaining 1/3 was normal random stuff.

Anyways, I am not criticising something that I don't pay from my own pockets, no doubt. But then I as reader and visitor which this site is geared to would like to expect some more neutral articles and fair treatment. I saw really often how your own nettiquette and terms of usage is even violated by your own editors only to shape the stuff how it fits them, not how it would have been fair.

Think about this. Tue, 28 Jun 2005 18:38:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? One thing I'd like to see is threaded discussion. Topics tended to get lost far too easily here. Its the reason I stopped responding to articles on a regular basis, by the time you were discussing anything interesting it was off the main page. Tue, 28 Jun 2005 18:43:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? I concur; Eugenia has done a spectacular job with OSnews. I hope the newbies will continue the un-biased force. Tue, 28 Jun 2005 18:43:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? We'll try not to drive you as insane as we did Eugenia! Tue, 28 Jun 2005 18:43:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? i for one welcome our new Gnome-loving overlords!

i will miss you dearly, Eugenia. welcome to Thom and Andrew. Tue, 28 Jun 2005 18:44:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? >One thing I'd like to see is threaded discussion.

It's not going to happen. There is a new system under development, but it's not threaded. Tue, 28 Jun 2005 18:45:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? I thought I was the only guy who liked threaded forums.... I wrote one once, and everyone said they hated it. I was like ... but that's the cool part! Tue, 28 Jun 2005 18:45:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Congrads new staff! Sorry to see you go Eugenia. Tue, 28 Jun 2005 18:46:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? I personally enjoy seeing fresh content on the front page. I know in the morning, and late afternoons there will always be new stuff to read. Maybe a forum would be a better avenue? Tue, 28 Jun 2005 18:52:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Yeah,
thanks for your hard work on OSNews all this time Eugenia.
Hope you'll find something else to devote your time on. (That actually is appriciated)

What happens to Gnomefiles now? Tue, 28 Jun 2005 18:56:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Oh, and hello to the new staff Tue, 28 Jun 2005 18:58:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Sad to see you give up the hot seat but I understand.
The larger number of visitors has unfortunately brought in a large number of noisy fools over the last couple of years.

Hopefully the new comments system will help fix this. Tue, 28 Jun 2005 19:01:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? eugenia put a lot of time and effort into osnews, she really deserves a rest. thanks, eugenia, many of your articles were very informative to me. Tue, 28 Jun 2005 19:09:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? I really enjoyed all the articles you've posted over the years, Eugenia. Especially for keeping us informed about the Be world, and interesting projects like SkyOs Tue, 28 Jun 2005 19:18:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? I've noticed that updates to OSNews seems to happen in clusters a lot of the time - there are no new stories for a couple of hours, and then ten or so new headlines are posted within a couple of minutes.

It would be nice if the newsflow could be made more even. One idea could be to have a headline scheduler, where the poster inserts the new headline some time in the future, and the system itself evens out the postings.

Or maybe there is a reason for the "clustered" postings?

Anyway, thanks for a great site! And a warm welcome to the new guys! Tue, 28 Jun 2005 19:19:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? hi people sorry for only just posting, i've only just got back from HGV driving Lesson, and from work, also my login details dont work as of yet, so just hang tight.

and for those people saying One GNOME Fanoy for another, i personally prefer KDE, although i will work in a GNOME env' if i must.

and seems like my profile page in contact us is wrong so click my name to view my profile. Tue, 28 Jun 2005 19:30:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? >Or maybe there is a reason for the "clustered" postings?

6 AM to 11 AM PST time is the biggest traffic time. However, usually there are two bunches of updates daily, morning and evening. Tue, 28 Jun 2005 19:33:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Good for Eugenia. Life has more to offer than gratuitous insults from blinkered intolerant adolescents.

Maybe someone can start an open source/Linux site with age and emotional maturity standards. Tue, 28 Jun 2005 19:33:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? I love OS News and have been parusing the site for years now. I think Eugenia contributed positively ove the years but i can see how the site has been going downhill (just a little). The countless Ubuntu point release articles and YALD articles really get tiresome. At first it was easy enough to skip them over and get to the more interesting stuff but lately it seems like Linux articles comprise the majority of articles. Fresh blood is a good thing and hopefully they can bring in a different less linux centric view. Tue, 28 Jun 2005 19:33:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? "Truth told, I don't want to deal with the OS zealot-assholes anymore either. The losers can take their Linux/Mac/MS/Be/GPL/Gnome/kde/whatever distortion field and shove it up their asses."

Always so poetic. Tue, 28 Jun 2005 19:34:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? > i can see how the site has been going downhill (just a little).

On the contrary. OSNews is as big as ever: 275,000 pageviews daily, on average.

>Always so poetic.

Always. Tue, 28 Jun 2005 19:37:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? "but lately it seems like Linux articles comprise the majority of articles."

How can you say that? Every single build of Longhorn, every single patch for Windows, and every Windows legal issue is covered here. Even Ballmer gets his own thread on a regular basis (seemingly more often than Gates himself). And this, of course, is not even taking into account the barrage of Mac Mini and Tiger reviews/opinions/impressions that decsended upon this place.

Face it, it's all a matter of perception. That which a person does NOT want to see here always seems overwhelming on this site. Tue, 28 Jun 2005 19:41:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? i remember reading a post at slashdot from david adams saying that he resigned as osnews editor!

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=151108&cid=12677558

so whats going on? is he really still the publisher or did he post a fake resignation to try to confuse people? Tue, 28 Jun 2005 20:05:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Good Riddance to Eugenia. Welcome to the new guys. Tue, 28 Jun 2005 20:09:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? We all like to resign every couple of days. It's good for the spirit. Tue, 28 Jun 2005 20:16:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? The day i see eugina leave couldn't come any sooner. this place was ending up full of flamebait articles, obviously meant to attract zealots. She keeps on parading this 200k website hits whenever possible like its an answer to every dissatisfaction to this website content. And even has the gall to say the zealots drove her away when these zealots are the one that she must be thanking for her precious hits.

In her own words, I'm just saying it the way it is. Tue, 28 Jun 2005 20:25:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Your time has come. You are washed out. Time for some new talent. Best news I've heard in a while. Tue, 28 Jun 2005 20:25:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Her idiotic rants concerning gnome were the funniest(in a sick sad way) things that I've ever read.... journalism of the clueless. Anyone who replaces here can't be worse, she's truly bottom of the barrel: low IQ, no insight, and childish demeanor. Tue, 28 Jun 2005 20:34:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? I don't see much coverage in any of the bios for the staff as it relates to MS.

How long has it been since MS Small Business Server 2003 had service pack 1 released and I don't believe an article or news story has covered it.

Is this a coincidence? Tue, 28 Jun 2005 20:46:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? >Is this a coincidence?

No, it is simply a fact that no one submitted it. While I don't personally like it, the fact is that most readers on osnews are alternative OS users, mostly Linux users. I like OSNews to have readers from all OSes, but because Linux has many distros, it ends up having more coverage here, and then this attracts more Linux users. And these linux users don't care to submit about MS Small Business Server 2003 service pack 1. Tue, 28 Jun 2005 20:49:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Go Youlle and Thom!!!
hope to see some goo stuff from ya guys like allways. Tue, 28 Jun 2005 20:51:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? if you read my bio i have used pretty much every Microsoft OS to exist, except the early NT versions, i have recently even played with MS Xenix on an 386, which was an experience and a half.

i have 2 Dedicated Windows machines and i have an Athlon64 Nix box, which i run Vidlinux 1.1 on.... well it started out as VLOS 1.1 it more like Pure Gentoo now Tue, 28 Jun 2005 20:52:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? "No, it is simply a fact that no one submitted it."

That's not true because I submitted it myself. No big deal if something like that gets lost in the shuffle of a big and busy site with lots of email, but with a staff of tech lovers, I would have thought it would be a pretty major story for one of the best selling server OS's on the market. Now the staff knows, so maybe we can see something now.

....Especially considering it isn't just a patch but includes a free update to ISA 2004 (from 2000), a pretty nice bonus.

Anyway, thanks Eugenia for taking care of this site all this time. I see you as the face of this place and I've spent a lot of time here over the last few years. Thanks for the hard work and time put into keeping me informed (and entertained). Tue, 28 Jun 2005 20:55:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Youlle how comes the linux distor you were working on? Tue, 28 Jun 2005 21:00:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? i actually halted doing that, im working with Gentoo, more specifically the gentoo based distro Vidalinux.

i was also working closely with the PC-BSD Project in producing Software packages and writing tutorials for the system. but atm the present release doesnt boot on my Athon64 and it screws HD Geometry so no work on that front atm. Tue, 28 Jun 2005 21:02:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? ok then best of luck man!
Looks like I will have go back to working. Tue, 28 Jun 2005 21:11:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Congrats for my part also Tue, 28 Jun 2005 21:19:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Dave, that's not the point. The point was that Eugenia made this site nearly a defacto GNOME related...

Perhaps the reason this site has more Gnome related comments is just that Gnome is superior in most ways to KDE and is therefore more news-worthy.

Seriously though, I think KDE is well represented on this site because many times when I come here I think, "Ugh! Another KDE story?" Tue, 28 Jun 2005 21:43:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Maybe I'm in the dark here, but if it weren't for Eugenia, wouldn't we not be able to have these discussions in the first place? I hardly think the language or tone of many of the preceding posts is appropriate or even respectful. Tue, 28 Jun 2005 22:17:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? "Perhaps the reason this site has more Gnome related comments is just that Gnome is superior in most ways to KDE and is therefore more news-worthy. "

Oh goodie, flame on! Just what the hell is the matter with you Gnome users anyway? Do you really not understand that you use a DE stuck in the 90s that has only a fraction of the features that KDE does? Superior? That's pretty funny.

(Note to Eugenia: Yes, one last flame war to send you on your way.) Tue, 28 Jun 2005 22:28:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Judging from most of the comments here, Eugenia made the right call. I wouldn't let most of you in my house. Tue, 28 Jun 2005 22:43:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? amen to that.. Tue, 28 Jun 2005 23:07:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? If you feel so inclined, please contact Eugenia to urge her to keep her contributions regular, but if you have gripes about the site, or want to complain about how we're biased against your pet platform, plese contact Thom or David from now on.

This was a refreshingly gracious comment, David. Wed, 29 Jun 2005 00:37:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Given how awful eugenia's contributions to the site have been over the last year, I for one am glad it's turned over. Thom and Andrew did an excellent job with expert-zone, and I hope they bring good things here. Wed, 29 Jun 2005 01:30:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? I hope you both know what you're getting into. Eugenia, thanks for everything, and I hope you get that rest, but I'll still be looking out for pieces from you. Wed, 29 Jun 2005 01:53:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? There goes the neighborhood. Wed, 29 Jun 2005 04:48:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? These guys are pretty much already censoring more than even Eugenia used to. I've been watching this thread, and every time someone expressed the opinion that it was good to see Eugenia go, or made any criticism of osnews they erased it. Sure it's their site, but this is why I usually spend more time on sites that actualy offer an open forum, rather than a filtered set of comments that the site's maintainer happened to agree with.

Eugenia may be gone, but it's clear that she's still pulling the strings. Wed, 29 Jun 2005 12:26:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? I've been a reader for several years, and really enjoy reading OS news, even though all of the silly, immature comments by trolls have pretty much caused me to stop reading comments that follow the articles. Maybe if we had threaded comments that would help? But I'll continue to read OSNews every morning. Engena did a great job with the site, and I wish Thom and Andrew the best of luck with the site!

Take care,
-Frank Merenda Wed, 29 Jun 2005 12:45:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? I don't moderate normal criticism, and as you can see, your post will not be modded because it's not a post made just to be offensive, most of the posts that have been moderated in this thread are.

There's a fine line between constructive criticism and blatantly posting insults. It is our job to define that fine line. And yes, I'm the first to acknowledge that mistakes have been made, and *surprise*, more will be made in the future.

Running a website involves human beings, and humans make mistakes. Deal with it. Wed, 29 Jun 2005 13:01:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Congratulations to you Thom! Now let's hope you don't abuse us @ SkyOS IRC ^_^ Wed, 29 Jun 2005 14:31:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Hi New Guys!
Firstly, I hope your initiation goes smoothly. There will be the usual troll-chasing, followed by a blow-by-blow criticism of your every move.
Once we get past that, I'm sure you will settle in.
Sorry to see Eugina 'promoted' away from us, but new blood now and then is a good idea.
I'm sure you know your jobs: keep posting Flamebait articles, mod down any criticism and deride your opponent's ancestry ... oh, sorry, that must be some other site!
As the saying goes, Only Time Will Tell, but I'll be here to check up on you! Keep up the good work. Wed, 29 Jun 2005 16:23:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? > i can see how the site has been going downhill (just a little).

On the contrary. OSNews is as big as ever: 275,000 pageviews daily, on average.

270,000 hits from Linux Fanboys, 5000 from True IT professionals.(a guess) Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:09:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments