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I know this is a development build, but I’d love to see a review of this build on OSNews…. and the most recent snapshot of KDE, for that matter.
I think bleeding-edge Desktop Environment reviews give some readers here what they’re looking for: a glimpse into the future of OSS world. Linux Distro reviews tend to be a lot of the same thing…
the KDE class libraries and examples are a brilliant testimony to reusable objects done right. Features such as the sophisticated file dialog and toolbar functions are obviously a part of the standard KDE class library, which is why most KDE applications now include them. If you upgrade the file dialog, all applications that use it get upgraded automatically.
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KParts, the component facility in KDE, also seems much easier to use than GNOME’s bonobo ( a dead technology replaced by mono i guess )
Isn’t gDesklets getting integrated into GNOME in the future? I thought I read somewhere that it was now being included. What release are they being included if they in face are?
I really hope this doesn’t happen for a while. The last time I tried to install gDesklets the install failed. I ended up building it from source. Then all the desklets I downloaded failed. The whole thing was a bust. It has to get *way* more stable first IMHO.
We (the gD developers) want to stay independent from GNOME. We’re working on gDesklets to make it a common desktop applet system for the Linux desktop. In the past we have been talking with the adesklets team to work on a common ADL (= Applet Description Language).
Since gDesklets is not very easy to compile for some unexperienced people it’s usually not really wise to ship gDesklets with GNOME. I also want to add, that our API is changing quite often. It’ll still take some time until the API will become stable.
I’m sorry, but i’m not really impressed about the changes since 2.10, the list seems to be very short… Are there any changes in the infrastructure of gnome, changes in the base?
I don’t think that’s a complete list of all new features that we will see in Gnome 2.12 (“just a list that will be used to make the actual release notes”). It’s not intended to impress anyone, either.
I don’t see anything else in GNOME that shares bookmarks with anything. Neither with Epiphany, Galeon, Nautilus, GThumb, <add custom GNOME app with own bookmark format here>. And why ZeroConf and not normal XBEL format, so you could have been able to share bookmarks with Konqueror or even Safari ?
I used for a while gtk+ 2.7.2 and pango 1.9.0 and there weren’t visible regressions: my impression is that performance are at least equals to gtk+ 2.6, but I have to admit that I didn’t try specific benchmarks (à la gtkperf).
I reverted because pango doesn’t support dpi settings and I use 84 dpi instead of 96 dpi, but this will be fixed soon.
I am using ubuntu (warth dog something)a nd how do I update to latest gnome. I tried dist update but none were available. Even firefox is at 1.0.2. I reloaded package list but it doesnt show any updates.
The custom error pages look pretty impressive. Even better than the feature is the example they use Still, linking to the internet archive or google cache is a custom error is pretty cool.
I don’t see anything else in GNOME that shares bookmarks with anything. Neither with Epiphany, Galeon, Nautilus, GThumb, <add custom GNOME app with own bookmark format here>. And why ZeroConf and not normal XBEL format, so you could have been able to share bookmarks with Konqueror or even Safari ?
the KDE class libraries and examples are a brilliant testimony to reusable objects done right. Features such as the sophisticated file dialog and toolbar functions are obviously a part of the standard KDE class library, which is why most KDE applications now include them. If you upgrade the file dialog, all applications that use it get upgraded automatically. again KParts, the component facility in KDE, also seems much easier to use than GNOME’s bonobo ( a dead technology replaced by mono i guess )
> I propose that the number one market for Gnome is:
> Gnome developers
Indeed, that’s why it’s so hard to become a member of the GNOME community and/or contribute to it. If you look close at the people who do GNOME then you figure out that it’s the same for years. The unwanted ones got flamed out and new ones are ‘programmed’ the way how the existing developers like them.
If you are some loser lame ass who want to contribute to GNOME and if you worked your ass off on some things that you call your pet projects or contributed large chunks of bugreports, patches and other stuff then you are still some loser. And you are the überloser if you start having your own opinion.
If you are one of those then asking for a CVS account ends up with no replies or ignorance, if you ask to have your project become part on GNOME cvs then nobody cares either, if you have some great ideas then everyone of them tells you how much it sucks.
But dare if you have a company name in your email address or you work for a company. Wow this changes everything, you get all the stuff above within hours. There are even people who pulls so much suger up your ass that it’s enough for the rest of your life. Want CVS access, no problem, want your project become part of GNOME cvs then no problem, hey want a mailinglist no problem.
The only way to become part of GNOME somehow is to create your own little world and community besides the real GNOME world, if you spent some time with GNOME then you realize that the german GNOME people are doing their own world stuff, the indian GNOME people do their own, the hispano people do their own and everyone seem to pray to the real GNOME people.
That’s of course also a way to control GNOME, it doesn’t matter if you do anything for GNOME or not, you only need a company name, be an accepted one from the CORE people or be one of those who started it. The rest is lifetime guarantee. No matter what you do, whom you blame, whom you piss off it’s ok because it’s you.
John, you are right the only marketing here is self marketing. Btw: I speak from own experience here.
I don’t see anything else in GNOME that shares bookmarks with anything. Neither with Epiphany, Galeon, Nautilus, GThumb, <add custom GNOME app with own bookmark format here>. And why ZeroConf and not normal XBEL format, so you could have been able to share bookmarks with Konqueror or even Safari ?
Remind me again how comments on the percieved number of people who use KDE on OpenSolaris has any relevance to a discussion of a development release of GNOME.
> I propose that the number one market for Gnome is:
> Gnome developers
Indeed, that’s why it’s so hard to become a member of the GNOME community and/or contribute to it. If you look close at the people who do GNOME then you figure out that it’s the same for years. The unwanted ones got flamed out and new ones are ‘programmed’ the way how the existing developers like them.
If you are some loser lame ass who want to contribute to GNOME and if you worked your ass off on some things that you call your pet projects or contributed large chunks of bugreports, patches and other stuff then you are still some loser. And you are the überloser if you start having your own opinion.
If you are one of those then asking for a CVS account ends up with no replies or ignorance, if you ask to have your project become part on GNOME cvs then nobody cares either, if you have some great ideas then everyone of them tells you how much it sucks.
But dare if you have a company name in your email address or you work for a company. Wow this changes everything, you get all the stuff above within hours. There are even people who pulls so much suger up your ass that it’s enough for the rest of your life. Want CVS access, no problem, want your project become part of GNOME cvs then no problem, hey want a mailinglist no problem.
The only way to become part of GNOME somehow is to create your own little world and community besides the real GNOME world, if you spent some time with GNOME then you realize that the german GNOME people are doing their own world stuff, the indian GNOME people do their own, the hispano people do their own and everyone seem to pray to the real GNOME people.
That’s of course also a way to control GNOME, it doesn’t matter if you do anything for GNOME or not, you only need a company name, be an accepted one from the CORE people or be one of those who started it. The rest is lifetime guarantee. No matter what you do, whom you blame, whom you piss off it’s ok because it’s you.
John, you are right the only marketing here is self marketing. Btw: I speak from own experience here.
Ali get a life! If your constant trolling wasn’t enough, your now double posting to avoid being modded down.
You are such an incredible loser. If your so overcome with disgust with Gnome then don’t even read the thread. Are you too stupid to even do that?!?! I hate KDE but you don’t see me spewing garbage on KDE threads.
Ali get a life! If your constant trolling wasn’t enough, your now double posting to avoid being modded down.
You are such an incredible loser. If your so overcome with disgust with Gnome then don’t even read the thread. Are you too stupid to even do that?!?! I hate KDE but you don’t see me spewing garbage on KDE threads.
Yeah, I’m a KDE guy myself, but it’s always interesting to read what happens in the GNOME camp. Trolls like the above are just plain stupid, they don’t make anything better. I wish there was some kind of banning or filtering feature on OSNews that would automatically get rid of these.
Unfortunately there are similar trolls in most KDE related articles too, but that’s another story.
I’d have to agree. I’m firmly in the GNOME camp — it just works the way I work and KDE doesn’t.
This isn’t a slight on KDE. People who choose KDE have similar reasons for choosing KDE over GNOME. Ditto for XFCE users, Windowmaker users, and EvilWM users.
That being said, I also take a peak over at the KDE camp. I choose GNOME because it works better for me, but if KDE started to become better for me, I’d switch. If a KDE app is better for me than a GNOME app, I’d use the KDE app.
If GNOME is better than KDE (or vice versa) for most people, it’ll get more market share. This is free software. A choice isn’t imposed on you, even if your distro chooses GNOME or KDE over the other. Trolling and trying to force people to force people into believing “the one true desktop” religion, is fundamentally against what free software stands for — choice.
In the end, all trolls end up doing is releaving their own stress by passing it on to others in flame wars.
> I propose that the number one market for Gnome is:
> Gnome developers
Indeed, that’s why it’s so hard to become a member of the GNOME community and/or contribute to it. If you look close at the people who do GNOME then you figure out that they are the same for years. The unwanted ones got flamed out and new ones are ‘programmed’ the way how the existing developers like them.
If you are some loser lame ass who want to contribute to GNOME and if you worked your ass off on some things that you call your pet projects or contributed large chunks of bugreports, patches and other stuff then you are still some loser. And you are the überloser if you start having your own opinion.
If you are one of those then asking for a CVS account ends up with no replies or ignorance, if you ask to have your project become part on GNOME cvs then nobody cares either, if you have some great ideas then everyone of them tells you how much it sucks.
But dare if you have a company name in your email address or you work for a company. Wow this changes everything, you get all the stuff above within hours. There are even people who pulls so much suger up your ass that it’s enough for the rest of your life. Want CVS access, no problem, want your project become part of GNOME cvs then no problem, hey want a mailinglist no problem.
The only way to become part of GNOME somehow is to create your own little world and community besides the real GNOME world, if you spent some time with GNOME then you realize that the german GNOME people are doing their own world stuff, the indian GNOME people do their own, the hispano people do their own and everyone seem to pray to the real GNOME people.
That’s of course also a way to control GNOME, it doesn’t matter if you do anything for GNOME or not, you only need a company name, be an accepted one from the CORE people or be one of those who started it. The rest is lifetime guarantee. No matter what you do, whom you blame, whom you piss off it’s ok because it’s you.
John, you are right the only marketing here is self marketing. Btw: I speak from own experience here.
the KDE class libraries and examples are a brilliant testimony to reusable objects done right. Features such as the sophisticated file dialog and toolbar functions are obviously a part of the standard KDE class library, which is why most KDE applications now include them. If you upgrade the file dialog, all applications that use it get upgraded automatically. again KParts, the component facility in KDE, also seems much easier to use than GNOME’s bonobo (a dead technology replaced by mono i guess)
> the KDE class libraries and examples are a brilliant testimony to reusable objects done right.
[…]
Yes, there’s excellent technology in KDE but that’s no reason for spamming a thread about GNOME with copy’n’pasted stuff. That’s obnoxious. Everyone already knows what you think of GNOME.
You see, Ali knows that mods have a limited number of points. After they mod down his first volley of trolling and flamebait, he knows that he can send a second volley (identical to the first) with impunity, knowing that nobody has points to mod him down with.
Really, I see this as a way for Ali to continue to pollute his own reputation further. You just know that one day he’ll claim that he was such a nice guy, and all he got was flames from the GNOME users and developers. Poor Ali! What did he do to deserve such harsh treatment?
Those that continue to bookmark topics that he continues to poison with his never-ending trolling and completely off-topic posts (all in an attempt to bash GNOME and worship KDE in all its greatness) will have plenty of ammo for that day.
Ali is quite prolific, but he just continues to solidify his reputation as a troll.
The only ones I see keep losing their reputations are a bunch of GNOME wannabes who keep calling him names all the time without proving whether it’s him or not. You have been calling him names in about 4-5 different threads here. No matter if it was a KDE related thread, a GNOME related thread or through other occasions.
So whom do we trust more ? A bunch of GNOME people who created dozens of fake accounts on OSN who keep namecalling him or a person who speaks out his mind about GNOME ? So far everything he said seem to be real. Trolling where ? You people keep moderating down all types of comments from different people. As if modding down to -1 wasn’t enough you keep modding them down to -4 and -5 because there is something you people want to keep hidden or opinions you simply can’t agree with.
Most people from the GNOME crowd that I met so far are a bunch of knee jerks who deserve all the public shit they get.
How do we know it’s him? Because of his ip address, and because of past posts by him. His command of English, although good for a someone using it as a second language, is noticably different from a native speaker’s. He has a funny way of saying things, idioms especially.
Funny thing, he talks kind of like you.
Where do you get the idea that anybody is making ‘dozens of fake accounts’? You act like there is some grand conspiracy to censor all posts by you… I mean, Ali. People moderate obvious flamebait and offtopic mudslinging appropriately. Why can’t Ali praise KDE in a KDE thread instead of bringing KDE up in a GNOME thread without any reason other than to degrade GNOME? What is the motive?
Thanks for calling me a “knee jerk who deserves the public shit I get.” Most people tell me I’m a nice guy- I can’t say the same for you- I agreed with your logic up until you brought ad hominem in there.
That’s GNOME, their normal way of slandering people in the public. Those who don’t agree with the flux are called trolls regardless whether their comments make sense or not. Have you seen the moderated down comments, the first ones ?
It’s sad to see how GNOME people comment on KDE related threads and giving all shits towards KDE and if KDE people do comment on GNOME related threads the same GNOME people give shits to KDE comments again.
There is a lot of unrighteousness going on inside GNOME. It’s one of their main marketing thing to put GNOME in the bright light by using unfair methods to pull KDE in the dirt and to shut down renegades by trying to defamate them in the public.
youknowmewell, now tell us what was wrong with the bookmarks reply given here that you people keep modding down to -4 and more ?
What was wrong with the comment that asked which what the Epiphany bookmarks is compatible with.
The problem with GNOME is that there is no common bookmarks system, nor is there a specification (only a draft) nothing. All the GNOME apps do their own way of bookmarking. Galeon (The last time I peeked on it) saved their stuff in XBEL, Epiphany uses a different scheme, Nautilus, GThumb and other applications have their custom bookmark code.
There was nothing wrong with this comment and the question was quite a valid one. Look over to KDE for example they seem to have one bookmark specification which is XBEL and it looks like that the majority of applications seem to use that bookmark system for keeping FTP, HTTP and other bookmarks under one hood (as long as it makes sense).
So again, before calling someone a Troll who loses reputation and before you go out and Defame people, better tell them also how many valid comments in THIS ARTICLE got moderated down because it doesn’t fit in your and other peoples head.
Is it a hobby from your side or some sort of l33tn3ss or some type of sport moderating everything down that don’t contain the keywords ‘great, gnome, ubuntu, rocks, kick arse’ in it ?
You and some others (in case they are not using fake accounts) are just a bunch of pathetic losers who haven’t contributed anything to GNOME except namecalling valuable and creditable people, who contributed more stuff to GNOME than you ever will be able to give.
Thats changing in 2.12, the patch to make nautilus use the same bookmarks as gtk was integrated a while back in the 2.11 branch.
And the last I knew, you really didn’t want your web bookmarks and your system bookmarks integrated (just like you don’t really want to have your file manager as a web browser.
You know what those topics have in common? They all are bashing GNOME in one way or another. The KDE vs GNOME flamewar is started by Ali in the last thread, and it sparks quite a blaze.
You know what else they have in common? No GNOME people praising GNOME and bashing KDE for no reason at all. Sure, you have your trolls, but they aren’t nearly as tenacious as Ali is with his trolling. They are also modded down accordingly.
There is a lot of unrighteousness going on inside KDE. It’s one of their main marketing thing to put KDE in the bright light by using unfair methods to pull GNOME in the dirt and to shut down renegades by trying to defamate them in the public.
Could you be more specific and point exactly to those comments you believe are posted falsely ? What sounds like a Troll in your ears might sound like true facts in the ears of others. You’ve been posting a bunch of links above and I wasn’t able to find any particular wrong comments inside them. So please be as specific as possible and don’t post general whole threads with 30 and more replies inside it.
Please post exact comments, add some line of comments that describe what’s wrong inside it based on your opinion, make sure that you know for sure. That is 100% that these comments are written by the person that you keep accusing.
And know, the stuff that you feel is written falsely needs to be set correctly by you as well. So in case anything is wrong, please also correct them.
Trolling doesn’t have to do with something being fact or fiction, it has to do with baiting. You’re purposely posting off-topic insults at GNOME to bait a conversation in which you can then valiantly defend KDE against the evil GNOMEs. It has become easy for me to predict when you will show up in a thread: When GNOME is mentioned. And I know what the conversation will be. It all degenerates down to you belittling GNOME, GNOME users and GNOME developers (of course, in your profound wisdom and experience with GNOME, you have every right to do so).
a) Please explain why valid comments given by other people and myself got moderated down to -4 and -5 which of course forces some sort of reaction (maybe on intend from your side) ?
b) Please explain technically what was wrong with my Bookmarks question (which goes into technical details that you don’t seem to understand). I even spent time explaining the Bookmarks system issue in details in hope you understand them ?
c) You kept posting that said person started a GNOME vs. KDE war on various threads and I asked you whether you could point specifically which comments you were refering too but you still failed here. Instead you give us a link that explains the terminology of ‘Trolling’ ?
d) What you seem to understand as personal insult and a trolling attempt by someone doesn’t necessarily mean it is one. OSN’s audience are usually technically people who also keep commenting and talking about technical and architectual related things. This is not moms and dads place. So if we talk about technical things here and you obviously have issues to participate normally to such conversations because you don’t understand the overwhelming complexity, then please do us all a favor and keep posting on some kidsforum rather than wasting our time and defaming valuable and creditable people who contributed more to GNOME than you ever will.
Please could the responsibles from OSN please permban the youknowmeall person because his only and main intentions are to cause problems, pull up wrong truths, lies, slandering people and causing trouble whenever possible ? I usually am a calm person who usually ignore trolls who keep namecalling others because I also know that not everyone is technically skilled enough to participate correctly and normally to a fine conversation. But namecalling and slandering is clearly violating against the terms and conditions of OSN. Here in germany and I assume also in the USA and in other countries defaming people in the public is a serious threat (?) and nothing you can easily excuse because “it was just a joke”. So please could you simply shut the hell up ?
First thing, just wanted to point out that both Anonymous (IP: 82.96.100.—) and Anonymous (IP: 84.129.221.—) both talk the same, and even have the curious habit of putting a space before and after a question mark, instead of just after.
Personally, I moded your post about bookmarks down because I could see a flamewar coming from a mile away. History tells me your comment wasn’t meant to be a genuine question; you have an axe to grind and it permeates your every comment.
I’m not going to address the technical issues since they are not relevent to this conversation.
No, I said that the KDE threads all had people bashing GNOME, not that a flamewar ensued. A flamewar happens when two sides flame each other, but in the case of those links all but one had only one side flaming, the KDE folk.
You asked me to point out any false [technically based] arguments you made in those past threads, but that is irrelevant. Whether you are correct on a technical basis is none of my concern. I pointed out that ‘trolling’ has nothing to do with the fact or fiction of anything, which was your understanding until I showed you the definition of the word ‘troll’.
You and your ego are why you have your reputation. Unfortunately, because you are so vastly superior in intellect and personal experience, you don’t realize how wrong you are, and you find it obsurd that anybody would suggest that your arguments are incorrect or that your methods of promoting KDE are incorrect.
PLease, just ignore the KDE trolls, there are no life losers who hang on a irc channel and talk about how to ruin GNOME threats in osnews.com, they use a channel in irc and make a plan of what to say and what to answer, of course they are pathetic litle losers who just want more atention, so please ignore them, its the best way to succed.
It is a shame that a KDE developer it is ammong them.
PLease, just ignore the KDE trolls, there are no life losers who hang on a irc channel and talk about how to ruin GNOME threats in osnews.com, they use a channel in irc and make a plan of what to say and what to answer……………
Sorry, I thought that was the Gnome people because you get more than enough. First it’s KDE’s license (whatever that is), then it’s the bloat, then it’s the clutter. Given that the same things come up every single time, that sounds like forward planning to me ;-).
Besides, I think there’s more enough of it to go around on all sides. And where is this kde-troll channel? I’m rather interested.
It is a shame that a KDE developer it is ammong them.
Who? If you’re talking about who I think you’re talking about then I think he did a pretty good job on setting the record straight on all of the trolling ;-).
The Gnome developers didn’t help themselves either at GUADEC by claiming everything under the sun defaults to Gnome. The biggest steamer is the NLD. It defaults to nothing. You select a radio button for KDE or Gnome and that’s what you get. Even in Gnome you get the kde-su stuff popping up, and in KDE the front-ends of iFolder are GTK. The NLD is totally desktop neutral (each desktop just provides you with a mode of operation really), despite the attempts of certain people to portray it otherwise. Hmmm. What does OES default to?
Back to the topic of this article:
I don’t see anything else in GNOME that shares bookmarks with anything. Neither with Epiphany, Galeon, Nautilus, GThumb, <add custom GNOME app with own bookmark format here>. And why ZeroConf and not normal XBEL format, so you could have been able to share bookmarks with Konqueror or even Safari ?
I think that’s a pretty legitimate thing in the context of the subject of this article to be asking to be honest. You can’t go labelling everything you don’t like as a troll.
I think that’s a pretty legitimate thing in the context of the subject of this article to be asking to be honest. You can’t go labelling everything you don’t like as a troll.
It would have been legitimate had any other person asked the question. Given Ali’s track record, I knew that he was not asking the question in a genuine attempt to understand. He was more interested in starting a debate on GNOME’s ‘flawed architecture’ and KDE’s ‘superior consistency’. You just have to read past posts from him for different articles to see why it was modded down so quickly.
It would have been legitimate had any other person asked the question.
Sorry, but this is just plain dumb. You want to make Ali appear as a troll, but you get the opposite effect. It seems to me you are the only troll here.
And the funny thing is, I love gnome, I just hate you faggot bitches who are always crying in every forum any time anyone says anything critical about gnome. You are all the same dip shits who got hard-ons over the spatial nautilus thing. Idiots.
I love that crap about how you can’t produce one single instance of ali lying or being wrong but you still attack him ruthlessly because you can just tell what his intent is? Even though his post insn’t a flame at all? What? Are you on drugs? Hey, fuck you, yeah you youknowmewell. You really are my definition of “bitch”.
I like gnome, but I think it is mainly because of gtk which has a very nice feel to it that I really like. Gnome desktop is very roughly just a ripoff of windows XP! (or actually worse Win98, jackasses).
Get over yourselves, get a clue, and try creating something that is actually better than the desktops you bash all the time. Loving gnome and linux is about politics and freedom and hacking around, not because it is better. Anyone who actually thinks gnome can hold a candle to XP hasn’t used it much or is very delusional.
I HATE MS! I won’t use XP. Because MS is evil. Not because it is unstable, bloated or insecure. Those notions are just plain wrong. By pretty much every single metric, XP is a better environment than Gnome. The only thing linux really has over XP is nice text shells (like bash) which windows will have also with Longhorn.
I tried to put ubuntu on my mother’s old laptop and it wouldn’t even run because *gnome* is so bloated and unstable! I put XP onto it and it has been working perfectly for over a year now.
Gnomies: delusional, bitches, gay (just the sad truth)
love,
foo
(and yes, ali does also seem like a stupid ass hole but not nearly as much as the people bashing him, get over it! I would barely even notice his posts if it weren’t for you idiots attacking him in such a disproportionate and irrational way!)
And, regarding the article itself, how many people *really* use epiphany? I don’t mean anectdotal screams of “me! me!” from gnomie fanboys (homosexual, I’m ok with that mind you, but you are all gay), but real hit stats from osnews and gnomedesktop?
I’m really curious because I think it would be less than 2%. I wish that would get posted so we can finally just stop talking about Epiphany alltogether and rid ourselves of any notion that it is anything but the otherwise useless bloody dagger that killed galeon (a browser that at least *tried* to be cool).
“It would have been legitimate had any other person asked the question.”
You are just a stupid Troll. That’s all you are! You keep on namecalling people even if they do not participate to your bullshit anymore. Get a life loser!
So what features have they removed this time, then?
I know this is a development build, but I’d love to see a review of this build on OSNews…. and the most recent snapshot of KDE, for that matter.
I think bleeding-edge Desktop Environment reviews give some readers here what they’re looking for: a glimpse into the future of OSS world. Linux Distro reviews tend to be a lot of the same thing…
Yeah, distros are a lot of the same thing anyway
You can see there some new features:
http://live.gnome.org/ReleasesNotes2p12Items
Most interesting things reading the list fo me:
– share of bookmark using zeroconf (epiphany).
– mozilla plugin for totem
– include evince (document viewer, to replace the really bugy gnome ps/pdf viewer)
the KDE class libraries and examples are a brilliant testimony to reusable objects done right. Features such as the sophisticated file dialog and toolbar functions are obviously a part of the standard KDE class library, which is why most KDE applications now include them. If you upgrade the file dialog, all applications that use it get upgraded automatically.
again
KParts, the component facility in KDE, also seems much easier to use than GNOME’s bonobo ( a dead technology replaced by mono i guess )
GNOME is dead
Isn’t gDesklets getting integrated into GNOME in the future? I thought I read somewhere that it was now being included. What release are they being included if they in face are?
I really hope this doesn’t happen for a while. The last time I tried to install gDesklets the install failed. I ended up building it from source. Then all the desklets I downloaded failed. The whole thing was a bust. It has to get *way* more stable first IMHO.
-mark
Yes, I’d like to see Gdesklets a litle more stable before gets included in GNOME, I don’t see any hurry, after all Gdesklets is only for eyecandy.
We (the gD developers) want to stay independent from GNOME. We’re working on gDesklets to make it a common desktop applet system for the Linux desktop. In the past we have been talking with the adesklets team to work on a common ADL (= Applet Description Language).
Since gDesklets is not very easy to compile for some unexperienced people it’s usually not really wise to ship gDesklets with GNOME. I also want to add, that our API is changing quite often. It’ll still take some time until the API will become stable.
Cheers,
Christian
So, like everyone said, gdesklets are unstable and immature. My experience, most people’s experience.
I’m sorry, but i’m not really impressed about the changes since 2.10, the list seems to be very short… Are there any changes in the infrastructure of gnome, changes in the base?
I don’t think that’s a complete list of all new features that we will see in Gnome 2.12 (“just a list that will be used to make the actual release notes”). It’s not intended to impress anyone, either.
rehdon
Evolution 122 bug opened in last 7 days<p>
Kmail 26 bug opened in last 7 days<p>
<p>
Nautilus 44 bug opened<p>
Konqueror 39 bug opened and 39 bug closed<p>
<p>
Gnome-panel 14 bug opened<p>
Kicker 13 bug opened<p>
Tot<p>
Gnome 180 Bugs Kde 78 bugs (at week )
> – share of bookmark using zeroconf (epiphany).
I don’t see anything else in GNOME that shares bookmarks with anything. Neither with Epiphany, Galeon, Nautilus, GThumb, <add custom GNOME app with own bookmark format here>. And why ZeroConf and not normal XBEL format, so you could have been able to share bookmarks with Konqueror or even Safari ?
http://blogs.gnome.org/view/calum/2005/07/18/0
DVD menus and subtitle support
My favorite.
realize that thats for the gstreamer backend of totem, the totem backend has been able to handle this since totem came out.
AFAIR, 2.12 should contain a “small foot-print”.
In pratice some efforts should have been done to let gnome run better with 128mb of ram.
Hope it was not 2.14 … 😉
Probably (it’s not sure, yet) Gnome 2.12 will include gtk+ 2.8, the first cairo-based release of the toolkit.
I’ll be extremely curious to see the performance implications of that decision.
rpm -qa | egrep ‘(gtk2|cairo|gnome-desktop)’
gtk2-engines-2.6.3-3
cairo-0.5.1-5
gtk2-devel-2.7.2-1
gnome-desktop-2.11.4-1
gnome-desktop-devel-2.11.4-1
cairo-devel-0.5.1-5
gtk2-2.7.2-1
Currently rawhide doesn’t have gtk 2.8 “yet” but from user perception, seems to be good.
Nice. Maybe I’ll upgrade my FC4 box to rawhide when I get home.
I used for a while gtk+ 2.7.2 and pango 1.9.0 and there weren’t visible regressions: my impression is that performance are at least equals to gtk+ 2.6, but I have to admit that I didn’t try specific benchmarks (à la gtkperf).
I reverted because pango doesn’t support dpi settings and I use 84 dpi instead of 96 dpi, but this will be fixed soon.
I am using ubuntu (warth dog something)a nd how do I update to latest gnome. I tried dist update but none were available. Even firefox is at 1.0.2. I reloaded package list but it doesnt show any updates.
The ubuntu documentation is pretty good
You want to follow
https://wiki.ubuntu.com//HoaryUpgradeNotes
HTH
when osnews will provide a decent coverage for
kde owned by 70% of linux users ?
when osnews will provide a decent coverage for
kde owned by 70% of linux users ?
http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=11228&threshold=-5&limit=…
I think 70% might be a little, shall we say, “optimistic”. If you’d like some coverage, why not write an article and send it in?
The custom error pages look pretty impressive. Even better than the feature is the example they use
Still, linking to the internet archive or google cache is a custom error is pretty cool.
> – share of bookmark using zeroconf (epiphany).
I don’t see anything else in GNOME that shares bookmarks with anything. Neither with Epiphany, Galeon, Nautilus, GThumb, <add custom GNOME app with own bookmark format here>. And why ZeroConf and not normal XBEL format, so you could have been able to share bookmarks with Konqueror or even Safari ?
And why ZeroConf and not normal XBEL format, so you could have been able to share bookmarks with Konqueror or even Safari ?
This new zeroconf sharing feature and XBEL stuff addresses different problems. XBEL is the commonn file format, the zeroconf sturff is for sharing.
http://blogs.gnome.org/view/calum/2005/07/18/0
Just a repost!
I’ve been running it here on my ubuntu desktop and it’s been pretty stable. The only issue is translucency issue which isn’t gDesklets but the gdm.
the KDE class libraries and examples are a brilliant testimony to reusable objects done right. Features such as the sophisticated file dialog and toolbar functions are obviously a part of the standard KDE class library, which is why most KDE applications now include them. If you upgrade the file dialog, all applications that use it get upgraded automatically. again KParts, the component facility in KDE, also seems much easier to use than GNOME’s bonobo ( a dead technology replaced by mono i guess )
> I propose that the number one market for Gnome is:
> Gnome developers
Indeed, that’s why it’s so hard to become a member of the GNOME community and/or contribute to it. If you look close at the people who do GNOME then you figure out that it’s the same for years. The unwanted ones got flamed out and new ones are ‘programmed’ the way how the existing developers like them.
If you are some loser lame ass who want to contribute to GNOME and if you worked your ass off on some things that you call your pet projects or contributed large chunks of bugreports, patches and other stuff then you are still some loser. And you are the überloser if you start having your own opinion.
If you are one of those then asking for a CVS account ends up with no replies or ignorance, if you ask to have your project become part on GNOME cvs then nobody cares either, if you have some great ideas then everyone of them tells you how much it sucks.
But dare if you have a company name in your email address or you work for a company. Wow this changes everything, you get all the stuff above within hours. There are even people who pulls so much suger up your ass that it’s enough for the rest of your life. Want CVS access, no problem, want your project become part of GNOME cvs then no problem, hey want a mailinglist no problem.
The only way to become part of GNOME somehow is to create your own little world and community besides the real GNOME world, if you spent some time with GNOME then you realize that the german GNOME people are doing their own world stuff, the indian GNOME people do their own, the hispano people do their own and everyone seem to pray to the real GNOME people.
That’s of course also a way to control GNOME, it doesn’t matter if you do anything for GNOME or not, you only need a company name, be an accepted one from the CORE people or be one of those who started it. The rest is lifetime guarantee. No matter what you do, whom you blame, whom you piss off it’s ok because it’s you.
John, you are right the only marketing here is self marketing. Btw: I speak from own experience here.
Ali quit trolling.
I’d like to see a LiveCD for this release.
> – share of bookmark using zeroconf (epiphany).
I don’t see anything else in GNOME that shares bookmarks with anything. Neither with Epiphany, Galeon, Nautilus, GThumb, <add custom GNOME app with own bookmark format here>. And why ZeroConf and not normal XBEL format, so you could have been able to share bookmarks with Konqueror or even Safari ?
More modpoints anyone ?
This will let people on the LAN optionally share each other’s bookmarks with each other.
http://blogs.gnome.org/view/calum/2005/07/18/0
Would you people please stop modding valid comments down all the time ? Your trolling and ignorance is quite disgusting!
Remind me again how comments on the percieved number of people who use KDE on OpenSolaris has any relevance to a discussion of a development release of GNOME.
> Remind me again how comments on the percieved number of
> people who use KDE on OpenSolaris has any relevance to
> a discussion of a development release of GNOME.
You see that the log below has GNOME.org as domain name ? Isn’t it enough for a connection ?
http://blogs.gnome.org/view/calum/2005/07/18/0
Frankly, no. Unless we happen to be playing six degrees of GNOME and nobody bothered to mention it to me.
> I propose that the number one market for Gnome is:
> Gnome developers
Indeed, that’s why it’s so hard to become a member of the GNOME community and/or contribute to it. If you look close at the people who do GNOME then you figure out that it’s the same for years. The unwanted ones got flamed out and new ones are ‘programmed’ the way how the existing developers like them.
If you are some loser lame ass who want to contribute to GNOME and if you worked your ass off on some things that you call your pet projects or contributed large chunks of bugreports, patches and other stuff then you are still some loser. And you are the überloser if you start having your own opinion.
If you are one of those then asking for a CVS account ends up with no replies or ignorance, if you ask to have your project become part on GNOME cvs then nobody cares either, if you have some great ideas then everyone of them tells you how much it sucks.
But dare if you have a company name in your email address or you work for a company. Wow this changes everything, you get all the stuff above within hours. There are even people who pulls so much suger up your ass that it’s enough for the rest of your life. Want CVS access, no problem, want your project become part of GNOME cvs then no problem, hey want a mailinglist no problem.
The only way to become part of GNOME somehow is to create your own little world and community besides the real GNOME world, if you spent some time with GNOME then you realize that the german GNOME people are doing their own world stuff, the indian GNOME people do their own, the hispano people do their own and everyone seem to pray to the real GNOME people.
That’s of course also a way to control GNOME, it doesn’t matter if you do anything for GNOME or not, you only need a company name, be an accepted one from the CORE people or be one of those who started it. The rest is lifetime guarantee. No matter what you do, whom you blame, whom you piss off it’s ok because it’s you.
John, you are right the only marketing here is self marketing. Btw: I speak from own experience here.
LOL Ali your C&Ping from a post 3 days ago. Can’t come up with new FUD so you just have to recycle old posts?
http://osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=11239&threshold=-5&limit=no#5…
MODs why are your letting Ali get away with this.
Ali get a life! If your constant trolling wasn’t enough, your now double posting to avoid being modded down.
You are such an incredible loser. If your so overcome with disgust with Gnome then don’t even read the thread. Are you too stupid to even do that?!?! I hate KDE but you don’t see me spewing garbage on KDE threads.
+1 permanent ban on Ali
Ali get a life! If your constant trolling wasn’t enough, your now double posting to avoid being modded down.
You are such an incredible loser. If your so overcome with disgust with Gnome then don’t even read the thread. Are you too stupid to even do that?!?! I hate KDE but you don’t see me spewing garbage on KDE threads.
Yeah, I’m a KDE guy myself, but it’s always interesting to read what happens in the GNOME camp. Trolls like the above are just plain stupid, they don’t make anything better. I wish there was some kind of banning or filtering feature on OSNews that would automatically get rid of these.
Unfortunately there are similar trolls in most KDE related articles too, but that’s another story.
I’d have to agree. I’m firmly in the GNOME camp — it just works the way I work and KDE doesn’t.
This isn’t a slight on KDE. People who choose KDE have similar reasons for choosing KDE over GNOME. Ditto for XFCE users, Windowmaker users, and EvilWM users.
That being said, I also take a peak over at the KDE camp. I choose GNOME because it works better for me, but if KDE started to become better for me, I’d switch. If a KDE app is better for me than a GNOME app, I’d use the KDE app.
If GNOME is better than KDE (or vice versa) for most people, it’ll get more market share. This is free software. A choice isn’t imposed on you, even if your distro chooses GNOME or KDE over the other. Trolling and trying to force people to force people into believing “the one true desktop” religion, is fundamentally against what free software stands for — choice.
In the end, all trolls end up doing is releaving their own stress by passing it on to others in flame wars.
> I propose that the number one market for Gnome is:
> Gnome developers
Indeed, that’s why it’s so hard to become a member of the GNOME community and/or contribute to it. If you look close at the people who do GNOME then you figure out that they are the same for years. The unwanted ones got flamed out and new ones are ‘programmed’ the way how the existing developers like them.
If you are some loser lame ass who want to contribute to GNOME and if you worked your ass off on some things that you call your pet projects or contributed large chunks of bugreports, patches and other stuff then you are still some loser. And you are the überloser if you start having your own opinion.
If you are one of those then asking for a CVS account ends up with no replies or ignorance, if you ask to have your project become part on GNOME cvs then nobody cares either, if you have some great ideas then everyone of them tells you how much it sucks.
But dare if you have a company name in your email address or you work for a company. Wow this changes everything, you get all the stuff above within hours. There are even people who pulls so much suger up your ass that it’s enough for the rest of your life. Want CVS access, no problem, want your project become part of GNOME cvs then no problem, hey want a mailinglist no problem.
The only way to become part of GNOME somehow is to create your own little world and community besides the real GNOME world, if you spent some time with GNOME then you realize that the german GNOME people are doing their own world stuff, the indian GNOME people do their own, the hispano people do their own and everyone seem to pray to the real GNOME people.
That’s of course also a way to control GNOME, it doesn’t matter if you do anything for GNOME or not, you only need a company name, be an accepted one from the CORE people or be one of those who started it. The rest is lifetime guarantee. No matter what you do, whom you blame, whom you piss off it’s ok because it’s you.
John, you are right the only marketing here is self marketing. Btw: I speak from own experience here.
the KDE class libraries and examples are a brilliant testimony to reusable objects done right. Features such as the sophisticated file dialog and toolbar functions are obviously a part of the standard KDE class library, which is why most KDE applications now include them. If you upgrade the file dialog, all applications that use it get upgraded automatically. again KParts, the component facility in KDE, also seems much easier to use than GNOME’s bonobo (a dead technology replaced by mono i guess)
> the KDE class libraries and examples are a brilliant testimony to reusable objects done right.
[…]
Yes, there’s excellent technology in KDE but that’s no reason for spamming a thread about GNOME with copy’n’pasted stuff. That’s obnoxious. Everyone already knows what you think of GNOME.
Why don’t you head over to http://bugs.kde.org/ and find a bug or two to fix?
You see, Ali knows that mods have a limited number of points. After they mod down his first volley of trolling and flamebait, he knows that he can send a second volley (identical to the first) with impunity, knowing that nobody has points to mod him down with.
Really, I see this as a way for Ali to continue to pollute his own reputation further. You just know that one day he’ll claim that he was such a nice guy, and all he got was flames from the GNOME users and developers. Poor Ali! What did he do to deserve such harsh treatment?
Those that continue to bookmark topics that he continues to poison with his never-ending trolling and completely off-topic posts (all in an attempt to bash GNOME and worship KDE in all its greatness) will have plenty of ammo for that day.
Ali is quite prolific, but he just continues to solidify his reputation as a troll.
why all discussions that involves an application or user of Linux must have the word “hate”.
you look like kids:
I love kde I hate gnome…
I love Linux I hate Windows…
I love evolution I hate thunderbird…
I love photoshop I hate gimp…
I love firefox I hate IE…
I love juk I hate amarok..
I love X I hate Y…
Why????????????????????
Please… grow up.
The only ones I see keep losing their reputations are a bunch of GNOME wannabes who keep calling him names all the time without proving whether it’s him or not. You have been calling him names in about 4-5 different threads here. No matter if it was a KDE related thread, a GNOME related thread or through other occasions.
So whom do we trust more ? A bunch of GNOME people who created dozens of fake accounts on OSN who keep namecalling him or a person who speaks out his mind about GNOME ? So far everything he said seem to be real. Trolling where ? You people keep moderating down all types of comments from different people. As if modding down to -1 wasn’t enough you keep modding them down to -4 and -5 because there is something you people want to keep hidden or opinions you simply can’t agree with.
Most people from the GNOME crowd that I met so far are a bunch of knee jerks who deserve all the public shit they get.
How do we know it’s him? Because of his ip address, and because of past posts by him. His command of English, although good for a someone using it as a second language, is noticably different from a native speaker’s. He has a funny way of saying things, idioms especially.
Funny thing, he talks kind of like you.
Where do you get the idea that anybody is making ‘dozens of fake accounts’? You act like there is some grand conspiracy to censor all posts by you… I mean, Ali. People moderate obvious flamebait and offtopic mudslinging appropriately. Why can’t Ali praise KDE in a KDE thread instead of bringing KDE up in a GNOME thread without any reason other than to degrade GNOME? What is the motive?
Thanks for calling me a “knee jerk who deserves the public shit I get.” Most people tell me I’m a nice guy- I can’t say the same for you- I agreed with your logic up until you brought ad hominem in there.
“Because of his ip address”
You know that 90% of germany use the same ISP?
“Funny thing, he talks kind of like you.”
Now I am him?
I feel sorry for you!
> Now I am him?
That’s GNOME, their normal way of slandering people in the public. Those who don’t agree with the flux are called trolls regardless whether their comments make sense or not. Have you seen the moderated down comments, the first ones ?
It’s sad to see how GNOME people comment on KDE related threads and giving all shits towards KDE and if KDE people do comment on GNOME related threads the same GNOME people give shits to KDE comments again.
There is a lot of unrighteousness going on inside GNOME. It’s one of their main marketing thing to put GNOME in the bright light by using unfair methods to pull KDE in the dirt and to shut down renegades by trying to defamate them in the public.
youknowmewell, now tell us what was wrong with the bookmarks reply given here that you people keep modding down to -4 and more ?
What was wrong with the comment that asked which what the Epiphany bookmarks is compatible with.
The problem with GNOME is that there is no common bookmarks system, nor is there a specification (only a draft) nothing. All the GNOME apps do their own way of bookmarking. Galeon (The last time I peeked on it) saved their stuff in XBEL, Epiphany uses a different scheme, Nautilus, GThumb and other applications have their custom bookmark code.
There was nothing wrong with this comment and the question was quite a valid one. Look over to KDE for example they seem to have one bookmark specification which is XBEL and it looks like that the majority of applications seem to use that bookmark system for keeping FTP, HTTP and other bookmarks under one hood (as long as it makes sense).
So again, before calling someone a Troll who loses reputation and before you go out and Defame people, better tell them also how many valid comments in THIS ARTICLE got moderated down because it doesn’t fit in your and other peoples head.
Is it a hobby from your side or some sort of l33tn3ss or some type of sport moderating everything down that don’t contain the keywords ‘great, gnome, ubuntu, rocks, kick arse’ in it ?
You and some others (in case they are not using fake accounts) are just a bunch of pathetic losers who haven’t contributed anything to GNOME except namecalling valuable and creditable people, who contributed more stuff to GNOME than you ever will be able to give.
Thats changing in 2.12, the patch to make nautilus use the same bookmarks as gtk was integrated a while back in the 2.11 branch.
And the last I knew, you really didn’t want your web bookmarks and your system bookmarks integrated (just like you don’t really want to have your file manager as a web browser.
So you don’t think there is anything wrong with praising KDE and slamming GNOME in a GNOME thread?
http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=11228&offset=15&rows=21&t…
http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=11058&limit=no&threshold=…
http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=11183&threshold=-5
http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=10712&limit=no&threshold=…
http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=10807&limit=no&threshold=…
You know what those topics have in common? They all are bashing GNOME in one way or another. The KDE vs GNOME flamewar is started by Ali in the last thread, and it sparks quite a blaze.
You know what else they have in common? No GNOME people praising GNOME and bashing KDE for no reason at all. Sure, you have your trolls, but they aren’t nearly as tenacious as Ali is with his trolling. They are also modded down accordingly.
There is a lot of unrighteousness going on inside KDE. It’s one of their main marketing thing to put KDE in the bright light by using unfair methods to pull GNOME in the dirt and to shut down renegades by trying to defamate them in the public.
Youknowmewell that’s pure pathetic bullshit and lies you keep spreading. Stop it!
Could you be more specific and point exactly to those comments you believe are posted falsely ? What sounds like a Troll in your ears might sound like true facts in the ears of others. You’ve been posting a bunch of links above and I wasn’t able to find any particular wrong comments inside them. So please be as specific as possible and don’t post general whole threads with 30 and more replies inside it.
Please post exact comments, add some line of comments that describe what’s wrong inside it based on your opinion, make sure that you know for sure. That is 100% that these comments are written by the person that you keep accusing.
And know, the stuff that you feel is written falsely needs to be set correctly by you as well. So in case anything is wrong, please also correct them.
You misunderstand the meaning of the word troll.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=troll
Trolling doesn’t have to do with something being fact or fiction, it has to do with baiting. You’re purposely posting off-topic insults at GNOME to bait a conversation in which you can then valiantly defend KDE against the evil GNOMEs. It has become easy for me to predict when you will show up in a thread: When GNOME is mentioned. And I know what the conversation will be. It all degenerates down to you belittling GNOME, GNOME users and GNOME developers (of course, in your profound wisdom and experience with GNOME, you have every right to do so).
There will always be 12 year olds who stir up trouble. This is why we have a moderation system. Just mod him down and move on to the next post.
You still haven’t answered following questions:
a) Please explain why valid comments given by other people and myself got moderated down to -4 and -5 which of course forces some sort of reaction (maybe on intend from your side) ?
b) Please explain technically what was wrong with my Bookmarks question (which goes into technical details that you don’t seem to understand). I even spent time explaining the Bookmarks system issue in details in hope you understand them ?
c) You kept posting that said person started a GNOME vs. KDE war on various threads and I asked you whether you could point specifically which comments you were refering too but you still failed here. Instead you give us a link that explains the terminology of ‘Trolling’ ?
d) What you seem to understand as personal insult and a trolling attempt by someone doesn’t necessarily mean it is one. OSN’s audience are usually technically people who also keep commenting and talking about technical and architectual related things. This is not moms and dads place. So if we talk about technical things here and you obviously have issues to participate normally to such conversations because you don’t understand the overwhelming complexity, then please do us all a favor and keep posting on some kidsforum rather than wasting our time and defaming valuable and creditable people who contributed more to GNOME than you ever will.
Please could the responsibles from OSN please permban the youknowmeall person because his only and main intentions are to cause problems, pull up wrong truths, lies, slandering people and causing trouble whenever possible ? I usually am a calm person who usually ignore trolls who keep namecalling others because I also know that not everyone is technically skilled enough to participate correctly and normally to a fine conversation. But namecalling and slandering is clearly violating against the terms and conditions of OSN. Here in germany and I assume also in the USA and in other countries defaming people in the public is a serious threat (?) and nothing you can easily excuse because “it was just a joke”. So please could you simply shut the hell up ?
First thing, just wanted to point out that both Anonymous (IP: 82.96.100.—) and Anonymous (IP: 84.129.221.—) both talk the same, and even have the curious habit of putting a space before and after a question mark, instead of just after.
Personally, I moded your post about bookmarks down because I could see a flamewar coming from a mile away. History tells me your comment wasn’t meant to be a genuine question; you have an axe to grind and it permeates your every comment.
I’m not going to address the technical issues since they are not relevent to this conversation.
No, I said that the KDE threads all had people bashing GNOME, not that a flamewar ensued. A flamewar happens when two sides flame each other, but in the case of those links all but one had only one side flaming, the KDE folk.
You asked me to point out any false [technically based] arguments you made in those past threads, but that is irrelevant. Whether you are correct on a technical basis is none of my concern. I pointed out that ‘trolling’ has nothing to do with the fact or fiction of anything, which was your understanding until I showed you the definition of the word ‘troll’.
You and your ego are why you have your reputation. Unfortunately, because you are so vastly superior in intellect and personal experience, you don’t realize how wrong you are, and you find it obsurd that anybody would suggest that your arguments are incorrect or that your methods of promoting KDE are incorrect.
Look, I spent some time reading the Troll definition page which link you provided to me.
And by the definition of it you are a Troll as well. Ok let’s assume that I am a Troll then be it that way. At least I am a technical skilled one
Thanks for the flowers and your demonstration about how wrong the GNOME community is by giving an perfect example of your own !
I am going to watch van Helsing on TV now. Flame with you in the upcoming GNOME and KDE Threads as usual !
PLease, just ignore the KDE trolls, there are no life losers who hang on a irc channel and talk about how to ruin GNOME threats in osnews.com, they use a channel in irc and make a plan of what to say and what to answer, of course they are pathetic litle losers who just want more atention, so please ignore them, its the best way to succed.
It is a shame that a KDE developer it is ammong them.
PLease, just ignore the KDE trolls, there are no life losers who hang on a irc channel and talk about how to ruin GNOME threats in osnews.com, they use a channel in irc and make a plan of what to say and what to answer……………
Sorry, I thought that was the Gnome people because you get more than enough. First it’s KDE’s license (whatever that is), then it’s the bloat, then it’s the clutter. Given that the same things come up every single time, that sounds like forward planning to me ;-).
Besides, I think there’s more enough of it to go around on all sides. And where is this kde-troll channel? I’m rather interested.
It is a shame that a KDE developer it is ammong them.
Who? If you’re talking about who I think you’re talking about then I think he did a pretty good job on setting the record straight on all of the trolling ;-).
The Gnome developers didn’t help themselves either at GUADEC by claiming everything under the sun defaults to Gnome. The biggest steamer is the NLD. It defaults to nothing. You select a radio button for KDE or Gnome and that’s what you get. Even in Gnome you get the kde-su stuff popping up, and in KDE the front-ends of iFolder are GTK. The NLD is totally desktop neutral (each desktop just provides you with a mode of operation really), despite the attempts of certain people to portray it otherwise. Hmmm. What does OES default to?
Back to the topic of this article:
I don’t see anything else in GNOME that shares bookmarks with anything. Neither with Epiphany, Galeon, Nautilus, GThumb, <add custom GNOME app with own bookmark format here>. And why ZeroConf and not normal XBEL format, so you could have been able to share bookmarks with Konqueror or even Safari ?
I think that’s a pretty legitimate thing in the context of the subject of this article to be asking to be honest. You can’t go labelling everything you don’t like as a troll.
I think that’s a pretty legitimate thing in the context of the subject of this article to be asking to be honest. You can’t go labelling everything you don’t like as a troll.
It would have been legitimate had any other person asked the question. Given Ali’s track record, I knew that he was not asking the question in a genuine attempt to understand. He was more interested in starting a debate on GNOME’s ‘flawed architecture’ and KDE’s ‘superior consistency’. You just have to read past posts from him for different articles to see why it was modded down so quickly.
It would have been legitimate had any other person asked the question.
Sorry, but this is just plain dumb. You want to make Ali appear as a troll, but you get the opposite effect. It seems to me you are the only troll here.
i found out that interesting stuff
http://www.viralata.net/gnome/promotion/Why_Choose_GNOME_A4.pdf
Ali isn’t a KDE developer. No KDE developer will demean their reputation to the point Ali has.
I never said he was Ali or another of those no life losers.
Gnomies are faggots. That is all. thanks.
And the funny thing is, I love gnome, I just hate you faggot bitches who are always crying in every forum any time anyone says anything critical about gnome. You are all the same dip shits who got hard-ons over the spatial nautilus thing. Idiots.
I love that crap about how you can’t produce one single instance of ali lying or being wrong but you still attack him ruthlessly because you can just tell what his intent is? Even though his post insn’t a flame at all? What? Are you on drugs? Hey, fuck you, yeah you youknowmewell. You really are my definition of “bitch”.
I like gnome, but I think it is mainly because of gtk which has a very nice feel to it that I really like. Gnome desktop is very roughly just a ripoff of windows XP! (or actually worse Win98, jackasses).
Get over yourselves, get a clue, and try creating something that is actually better than the desktops you bash all the time. Loving gnome and linux is about politics and freedom and hacking around, not because it is better. Anyone who actually thinks gnome can hold a candle to XP hasn’t used it much or is very delusional.
I HATE MS! I won’t use XP. Because MS is evil. Not because it is unstable, bloated or insecure. Those notions are just plain wrong. By pretty much every single metric, XP is a better environment than Gnome. The only thing linux really has over XP is nice text shells (like bash) which windows will have also with Longhorn.
I tried to put ubuntu on my mother’s old laptop and it wouldn’t even run because *gnome* is so bloated and unstable! I put XP onto it and it has been working perfectly for over a year now.
Gnomies: delusional, bitches, gay (just the sad truth)
love,
foo
(and yes, ali does also seem like a stupid ass hole but not nearly as much as the people bashing him, get over it! I would barely even notice his posts if it weren’t for you idiots attacking him in such a disproportionate and irrational way!)
And, regarding the article itself, how many people *really* use epiphany? I don’t mean anectdotal screams of “me! me!” from gnomie fanboys (homosexual, I’m ok with that mind you, but you are all gay), but real hit stats from osnews and gnomedesktop?
I’m really curious because I think it would be less than 2%. I wish that would get posted so we can finally just stop talking about Epiphany alltogether and rid ourselves of any notion that it is anything but the otherwise useless bloody dagger that killed galeon (a browser that at least *tried* to be cool).
“It would have been legitimate had any other person asked the question.”
You are just a stupid Troll. That’s all you are! You keep on namecalling people even if they do not participate to your bullshit anymore. Get a life loser!