Registration has begun for those wanting to attend the first Open Source Desktop Workshop to be held on October 13th and 14th in San Diego, California! Open Source Desktop Workshops are affordable educational events that bring top-flight Open Source desktop developers together with those who are looking to gain the skills necessary to join them. With presenters from around North America speaking on a variety of practical topics this will be an exciting and worthwhile event.
Open Source Desktop Workshops: San Diego
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2005-07-29 10:39 pm
aseigo
> This is just another example of KDE developers throwing
> a tantrum.
actually, i started organizing this on May 5, 2005. the Ottawa show was held in mid-July.
now, Chouimat wasn’t happy about the Ottawa show. big deal. Waldo Bastian, who is 100x the KDE developer Chouimat is, was. as were others who managed to attend, such as the KDevelop people.
myself, i wasn’t able to attend. that’s unfortunate, because i would’ve loved to but my schedule didn’t permit it this time around. personally, i don’t really have an opinion on that event, mostly because i wasn’t there and i realize that it’s neither the first nor the last such event of its ilk.
furthermore, OSDW has a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT set of goals to the Ottawa conference. OSDW is aimed at helping educate developers new to open source, the Ottawa conference is a place for us seasoned developers who are in the middle of things to congregate. if you look at the schedules of both this will be obvious to you.
so how OSDW could ever be a reaction to the Ottawa event is beyond me: it was started before it happened, and it has a different focus. oh, and the person who has been steering the process says it has nothing to do with it 
so, as the person orgnaizing this whole thing, i can firmly, factually and resoundingly say: you sir, are full of crap.
2005-07-29 6:21 pm
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Anonymous
I’m not a beginner.
I just don’t have the time to waste on getting trivial hardware working. -
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Anonymous
Thanks for your help.
I’m sure the Linux community will thrive with attitudes such as yours.
2005-07-29 6:43 pm
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2005-07-30 3:55 am
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So last night I installed Fedora Core 4 64-bit on my Athlon 64 box … and it’s a complete failure. Sound from my Audigy 2 did not work out of the box, even though it found the card and loaded the module. It took up 175 MB of RAM after boot just sitting at a desktop. It’s a 1.7 GB installation, even stripped down (ie. only gFTP, Firefox, Totem, and a few other small apps — no OpenOffice, no Evolution, nothing).
To top it all off, there is no MP3 support out of the box. Yeah, yeah, you say, Google for the package name so you can download it through yum. I found the unofficial Fedora FAQ, typed the one line it said to type … BAM, no packages found it tells me. Instant -100 points right there. I go on freshmeat and figure I can probably download the RPM myself. I find it. I double-click it. BAM … 3 dependencies required. This is complete bullshit.
This is supposed to be the “open-source desktop”? In that case I’ll stick with my proprietary desktops. I got back on my Mac Mini running OS X 10.4.2, and it was a breath of fresh air. I fired up iTunes and listened to some music. No jumping through hoops and wasting of time is necessary.
Now ask yourselves: Can Joe Public get MP3 support on his FC4 box after hearing about how great Linux is? Not a chance.
So last night I installed Fedora Core 4 64-bit on my Athlon 64 box … and it’s a complete failure. Sound from my Audigy 2 did not work out of the box, even though it found the card and loaded the module. It took up 175 MB of RAM after boot just sitting at a desktop. It’s a 1.7 GB installation, even stripped down (ie. only gFTP, Firefox, Totem, and a few other small apps — no OpenOffice, no Evolution, nothing).
A few comments;
* 64bit support might be the cause of your compatability problems.
* OSX isn’t 64bit yet.
* RAM and disk use: Yep. You can pare it down, though FC does not target low memory machines. As for using about 2GB, I don’t see that as a problem though you should be able to knock that down by about half.
* Regular Joes and OSX vs. Fedora Core; FC is not intended as an easy to use consumer grade OS. It is a pre-release code base for Red Hat to try out Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL). While I do use Fedora Core and am happy with it, I keep this in mind.
I’m not a regular Joe; my goals are to learn about RHEL tech by dealing with FC on a daily basis. That said, my housemate Joe is a bartender…and he is a regular Joe…literally. After I tweaked FC for him, he’s quite happy with it.
* No open source software supports MP3 legally in the US and quite a few other parts of the world. I think the fee is about a buck though I don’t have a reference handy.
Oh yes, forgot to mention something … there’s no WAV support out of the box either. Totem complained about not being able to find a suitable decoder before it even tried outputting any sound.
Oh yes, forgot to mention something … there’s no WAV support out of the box either. Totem complained about not being able to find a suitable decoder before it even tried outputting any sound.
Totem has quite a few problems. While none of the media players are ideal, Mplayer, Xine, and Kafeene are quite nice and tend to work as you’d expect.
They should call it: KDE Workshops
geeeeeeeeeeeez!!
NO, they shouldn’t because this is geared towards developers who might not know what KDE is, but _do_ know they want to learn how to develop for the Open Source Desktop. Which KDE, most definately, is.
While GNOME is another one. Granted that KDE isn’t as wildly spread as GNOME is in the US.
“While GNOME is another one.”
Yah, so? So is XFCE, enlightenment, fluxbox, etc, etc. What’s your point? Feeling a little paranoid because GNOME isn’t included?
“Granted that KDE isn’t as wildly spread as GNOME is in the US.”
No, we don’t have as many North American developers. That’s what the OSDW is supposed to help. Or did you miss that.
This is just another example of KDE developers throwing a tantrum. The KDE developers weren’t exactly in a great mood after the Ottawa Developers Conference.
http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/1256#comment
They want to have something to call their own, but they don’t want to sound exclusive so they don’t call it the KDE Desktop Workshops. It’s one of those euphemism things that nobody buys. Obviously, nobody from Gnome or freedesktop will be there.
No one is throwing a tantrum. So one KDE dev was not pleased with the Gnome-bias at the Ottawa conference and made some uninformed comments. So what, that doesn’t say ANYTHING about the position of other KDE devs.
And no, people from freedesktop will be there, because some of those people are the same ones that work on KDE.
Uhm, it seems you are the one throwing a tantrum. Just because KDE came up with a great idea to hold developer workshops, you are in a hissy fit about it.
They want to have something to call their own, but they don’t want to sound exclusive so they don’t call it the KDE Desktop Workshops.
Well I’d love to know why everything some Gnome devs do is categorised as ‘The Linux Desktop’, but you know. I suppose it is accurate.