Google has launched an instant-messaging (IM) program that allows text chat and computer-to-computer voice connections, a move that highlights the search giant’s increasing competition with Yahoo, Microsoft and America Online. You can download Google Talk here. Google also makes it very clear that you do not need Google Talk to use their service, and they provide detailed instructions on using other IM clients to connect to Google Talk. Update: Micheal Robertson announces partnership with Google to promote the use of open standards in VoIP/IM.
First link should be http://www.gooogle.com/talk/
Fixed the first link, it needs to point to ZDNet UK. Thanks for letting me know.
FINALLY someone is doing something useful with Jabber!
Exactly! I’m very excited about this. Hopefully it will lead to more people using Jabber based instant messaging services. One neat thing is that I now have a unified address for both email and IM.
Jabber just makes sense, unlike the bunch of proprietary services.
Oh, the WP.pl guys (one of two most popular Polish portals) have their own jabber based client (wpkontakt) and they also wrote Jabber server wchich is GPLed software. But this is good seeing Google making business in different way than AOL, Microsoft or many other companies.
On site http://www.google.com/talk/ you can find information that you can connect to their Jabber server with many other jabber clients and they are working on documentation for developers detailing their custom XMMP-based voice protocol. So basically you won’t need to use their software to use their free services
. That sounds great 
This is a very simple client that atually makes net calling very simple. It certainly is a very straightforward approach to messaging, with no (as yet) clutter. If they can actually manage to interconnect all the IM protocols and provide unified messaging, that would be multiple kudos to Google!
I’m looking forward to the opening of their SIP protocol so open source projects can adopt it. It would also be nice if we had a GTK/Qt based messenger for non-Windows machines (for those of us who don’t throughly enjoy Gaim/<insert your fav IM client here>), but that’s just hoping!
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I’m looking forward to the opening of their SIP protocol so open source projects can adopt it. It would also be nice if we had a GTK/Qt based messenger for non-Windows machines (for those of us who don’t throughly enjoy Gaim/<insert your fav IM client here>), but that’s just hoping!
Well for that we have Gizmo, the best thing since sliced bread!
http://www.gizmoproject.com/
Well there is Gossip, Kopete and Miranda IM just to name a few.
it does not function with gaim v1.5.0
It does, I’m using it. Did you set the connect server as described on their page?
Unless you are talking about the VoIP stuff, which obviously only works with their client yet.
not only with their client, voice seems to be working with iChat
it does not function with gaim v1.5.0
Oh really ? go check this url: http://www.google.com/support/talk/bin/answer.py?answer=24073&query…
I use it right now with gaim 1.5.0 !
But it works perfectly with Kopete 0.9.2
The used protocol is XMPP (Jabber). But Google will not bridge messages to others XMPP servers, so you can only chat with gmail suscribers. Too bad.
Works perfectly fine.
Did you select “Jabber” as the protocol and follow the instructions given on the Google website?
Works fine with Gaim 1.4.0 here– I had to dust off some Gmail invite somewhere, but now it works like a charm with Gaim on Ubuntu.
Obviously I have no one to add, so it’s kind of useless, but oh well.
Agh, why does no one appreciate Linux? Gaim doesn’t support voice, so I don’t really see any reason to use Google Talk if one has already something like ICQ or MSN account. Well, I’ll just have to wait and see how many years it’ll take for a Linux version to arrive.
-WereCat
I don’t really see any reason to use Google Talk if one has already something like ICQ or MSN account.
I totally disagree. Jabber is an open protocol which has the potential to be for IM what POP3 and SMTP are for email. ICQ and MSN are isolated and centralized services, which practically only communicate between themselves.
Google could just be the force to push Jabber into the mainstream and make IM a truely open and universal method of communication, just like email.
I fail to see what’s so good about Jabber. So far I have not seen any good reason to use it; it doesn’t offer anything new and useful. Oh, and I don’t ICQ & MSN being isolated and centralized services as atleast everything can be found in one place, and I don’t even need to set any specific server settings to use either.
-WereCat
Ps. This isn’t meant to be a flamebait or something like that…
Oh, and I don’t ICQ & MSN being isolated and centralized services as atleast everything can be found in one place
That’s a contradiction.
Anyway, they _are_ centralized, no matter what you think. ICQ only runs on one server (well, a bunch most probably), while Jabber is designed to work between multiple servers. There is no single Jabber server which controls the entire network. Every server can send to every other server. This is the same way our email services work. We don’t all use the “AOL Email Server”, instead we might use our provider’s email server, which then forwards the messages to the recepient’s email server, and so on. This is not a matter of opinion, but a technical fact.
The advantages of the de-centralized approach are that you are independent of a single company. Imagine one company would control all email, that sounds quite ludicrous, doesn’t it? Everyone can implement improved servers or clients, as long as they follow the protocol. Could Google offer their own ICQ service? Obviously not, instead they would have to create their own self-contained competing service which would once again not be able to talk to clients of another service. Only Jabber makes it possible for Google to offer an IM service that countless users can directly communicate with. Every additional Jabber service increases the compatible userbase, while every additional proprietary IM service leads to more fragmentation.
Other downsides of proprietary centralized services are that the network could be entirely unreachable (heck, the company could go out of business) or that they could restrict access to alternative clients at any time (which has happened a few times already).
As long as you use IM as a toy, this might all not matter to you. But for serious applications of the instant messaging idea, an open protocol like XMMP clearly is the only way.
That’s what I was saying, ICQ and MSN are centralized and it doesn’t matter. I don’t care. What would be so bad if e-mail was also centralized?
“Only Jabber makes it possible for Google to offer an IM service that countless users can directly communicate with. Every additional Jabber service increases the compatible userbase, while every additional proprietary IM service leads to more fragmentation.”
Uhh…Did you even read the whole thing? This still does only lead to more fragmentation: you can only use their server and it’s not bridged to anywhere else. So, again, it’s a single company controlling this whole thing…So, if Google went out of business, or they have some sort of a network problem rendering them unreachable, we would still be in the same situation you were talking about.
By the way, this Google Talk isn’t meant for “serious applications of the instant messaging idea”, it’s just the same as every other IM program. Jabber may very well be good for those serious applications, but still, in this case, it just isn’t such a big deal. Google Talk is just the same as MSN or ICQ (with less features), it’s just using a different protocol.
About the users: I don’t think many average IM users does really care about the opennes of a certain protocol. I know I don’t care, as long as it works and doesn’t cost me anything. If it costs me something, I stop using it. The same goes for anyone I personally know.
-WereCat
Except… Google is “federalizing” their service (IE: bridging to other services and other Jabber servers), whereas ICQ/MSN/AIM do no such thing. And I still maintain that SSL support can make Jabber much more “serious” than MSN/ICQ/AIM.
Uhh, where do you see anything like that reported? Google Talk use their own server and it’s atleast not yet bridged anywhere else. Throw me a link if you see something else reported anywhere.
SSL may be good, but I have no need for it. I still don’t think anyone is interested in my conversations, so I prefer features over Google Talk’s SSL support.
-WereCat
1. SSL is a feature
2. http://www.google.com/talk/about.html#open
http://www.google.com/talk/developer.html#service_2
http://www.google.com/talk/developer.html#service_1
For starters.
The advantages of the de-centralized approach are that you are independent of a single company.
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For 99% of IM users this doesn’t matter one whit. There is no TECHNICAL advantage for them. Either 1 person runs the service for them or lots of people do, but to them, it doesn’t matter.
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Features like whiteboard, voice chat, file transfer, buddy avatars, etc. DO matter to the majority of IM users and Jabber either doesn’t accomodate these things or does it poorly.
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Also, Jabber servers only implement SOME of the spec and all the clients also implement different aspects of the spec, so in general only the lowest common denominator (text chat) is really viable with Jabber the same way it is with MSN or AIM or something.
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For normal users, there’s just no point in switching to Jabber for the most part and if you think otherwise you’re either using Jabber for VERY specific stuff like XML-RPC calls or internal corporate chat servers… or you’re just an “open standards > *” zealot.
Good to see someone actually embracing alternative IM clients for a change.
Nice IM. Something nice will be to have the option of tabbing the windows when having multiple conversations open. The sound is great.
Do the linux apps kopete or gaim have voice chat support?
How does Google Talk compare to Skype?
Thanks for any answers.
I don’t know why, but I just can’t seem to get it up and running with Gaim. Can’t manage to get an error message either…
Have you followed all the instructions (http://www.google.com/support/talk/bin/answer.py?answer=24073), particularly turning on TLS and configuring the advanced settings?
Oh cool. I forgot to fill in the connect to part. I don’t see why that’s in “more options” on gaim; it’s kind of a necessary option…
I want features. Not more lockins apps. Another IM app that is one on one voice only. I need 1 to X for WoW gaming.
TeamSpeak and Ventrilo do exactly that.
I don’t know in other places but in Norway and Brazil MSN is very, very popular. Unless Google Talk offers a couple of “killer features” that are appealing enough, I don’t know why people would bother to switch. Philosophical reasons (“Jabber is an open protocol”) are not enough for most.
OK, once ICQ seemed unbeatable too, but still, so far it looks like “yet another IM”.
If only it were compatible with MSN and ICQ, through plugins or something like that, it could be easier to convince people to try it, if nothing else for the novelty factor.
There are other free jabber services that offer bridges to MSN, ICQ, …
How did you manage to get it working in Kopete ? i cant change port
http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Google+Talk+support
Everybody seems excited about that *free* IM, but they don’t allow connection to other jabber servers.
It’s pretty smart, because OSS advocates will make the pray of “How cool, they use an OPEN protocol”. However what matters to them is that you use their server, because their business is data.
If you’re behind a facist firewall, try using port 80 instead of port 5223.
Does it allow file transfert under Gaim client? and if no, under the official client? (note that, the xmmp protocol permits this feature).
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ookoi
http://yadp.sourceforge.net
yes, i transfered a file with gaim over gtalk jabber last night.
Don’t forget that Jabber supports SSL, meaning security, as opposed to the lack thereof inherent to AIM and its breathern.
OTOH, you’re completely free to use whatever client you wish to connect to this service. Other jabber servers don’t integrate GMail, and don’t support voice chat, which is basically the new thing Google Talk can do. Connecting to other servers would be completely pointless.
– Simon
i cant change port, its grey.
Is there a jabber client that works on Symbian60 based smart-phones?
I don’t see anything great about this. I don’t care if its free and uses an open protocol. Thats not my concern and really doesn’t matter to me. What I do want to do is add photos, emoticons, and the occasional nudge. Google talk doesn’t have this, and I think this IM client is sub-par compared to whats already out there and especially sub-par for google standards.
Why cant i use my existing email address to sign onto Google talk this is as bad as MSN force feeding us Hotmail (at least there U can use non hotmail accounts via passport).
Is there a way to use non gmail.com email accounts? I successfully registered a google account using my OTHER NON gamil.com email addy.
HOW HOW HOW?
My guess is that Jabber relies on DNS to forward messages to the correct home server of the recipient. This means that Google Talk only manages its own address space, and can not let people register any email address. I suggest you ask your email provider to set up a compatible Jabber server for your email address.
This is still in beta. I know this might not mean much when it comes to Google, but it does mean they’ll be adding more features/compatibility to their client as they go. Gmail continues to get more new features, such as the Rich Text ability and a lot more language support. I’m stuck using Windows right now because I need YM! for its voice capabilities (which GAIM doesn’t have), but if Google releases a GTK/QT client for Linux, then I’ll be in good shape to relegate my Windows partition to testing purposes only.
So let’s add up what we want:
Linux compatibility
Full Jabber bridging
???
All I get is..
Could not authenticate to server Retry Cancel.
I am NOT repeat NOT making YET ANOTHER webmail address just to use a service, forget it. Im not biting Googles LOCKIN. I just want the IM and voice.
i cant connect because the firewall block ports other than 21,25,80,110,443 …. sucks !
How can I use NON gmail.com email addresses?
I already have a non gmail email address registered as a google account.
Is this even possible or are they forcing gmail lockin?
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About the users: I don’t think many average IM users does really care about the opennes of a certain protocol. I know I don’t care, as long as it works and doesn’t cost me anything. If it costs me something, I stop using it. The same goes for anyone I personally know.
Well, do you “think” users care about being able to use whatever client they want? Afaic the next time $CLOSED_IM_PROTOCOL “accidentally” breaks their protocoll to keep 3rd party clients out they cant keep their moronic “services” for them selves. I’m going to turn people towards the free and open protocoll which you scoff.. Good luck with the proprietary shit. 🙂
They’ve done it already a lot of times, and I *still* can use any open-source client I want. So there you go.
-WereCat
Yeah, but it’s a mess, and there is a delay. So why taking pains you don’t have to?
Amiga OS 4 being released.
Google releases IM VoIP client based on Jabber
Duke Nukem Forever out in December
Windows Vista out soon
We’re all gona die!
as long as you CHOOSE Gmail.com you have plenty of choice using Google Talk LOL
Some fracking choice. Until I can use my EXISTING email address as my signin on Google Talk, the ONLY CHOICE i have is NOT TO USE IT because I CANT.
Except… Once they get the inter-Jabber bridges going, you can sign into ANY Jabber server, ANYWHERE and from there chat with people on the Google Talk server, just like you can send e-mail from ANY server ANYWHERE to the gmail.com server. It’s just a beta, and they haven’t turned that feature on yet. Give them time.
Don’t feed the trolls. But so will I:
A Jabber/XMPP address is NOT an email adress, even though it looks like one.
[email protected] is an email address, pointing at the MAILSERVER at google
[email protected] is a XMPP address, pointing at the XMPP/JABBER SERVER at google.
That your gmail address and your google talk address is the same is a ‘lucky’ coincidence. It would be the same as requiring your phone company to make your phone number the same as your email address..
MY email provider doesnt use jabber, its JUST EMAIL.
Why cant I use my existing email to sign onto Google Talk then?
Is this the problem with jabber?
You need to log in to a Jabber server once Gmail opens up their connection to other Jabber servers. There are a lot of Jabber servers. You can see a list here[1]. Also useful is that many Jabber servers have AIM/ICQ/MSN/Whatever interconnects, which is what Google Talk is doing with the federating. Have patience, and stop using all capitals. Please.
1: http://www.jabber.org/network/
It is the strength of Jabber. It relies on DNS to find your home server, when someone wants to talk to you. It would be impossible for Google Talk to manage addresses in any other domain than their own.
It’s still a bare bones chat client, but the VoIP looks pretty good, and the fact that they use TLS by default is also pretty good.
While they’ve restricted access to the Google talk servers, I think that’s just to keep spammers out of the network. It’s the same reason GMail is still by invitation only, but average users get about 50 invites: it allows them to enforce a casual honour system that keeps things nice and clean.
This all seems to be part of a bigger play to make Google a voluntary proxy through which people access the web. It’s been enormously impressive to see how they’ve leveraged RSS in the GDS Sidebar and the Google portal (http://www.google.com/ig). With a bit of work, they could tie the whole thing together, so that the sidebar would indicate the latest updates to the feeds you’ve specified on your Google home-page, the latest mails from your Google GMail account and which of your buddies are online for Google Talk. Meanwhile Google News finally becomes an added-value proposition by supplied news-headlines.
This is the real advantage of a sidebar like this: it’s not clocks and pictures, but the provision of summary information on topics that interest you. All that’s left is to make the whole thing more refined in user-terms and to a lesser extent make it cross platform (which would be where XUL-Runner and the Mozilla hackers they’ve hired come in).
As for the infamous Google cookie and data-rentention issues, there’s no real need for Google to go through users’ personal information, credit-fraud is a bit beneath a company with a market-cap of $4bn. No, the advantage of that information is they can create a very accurate user profile, allowing them to tune their search results for each individual user (and thus their advertising) and enable them to stay on top of the Search sector (to get new users) and Internet Advertising sector (to earn revenue).
Because I can use ANY email address I choose without lockin.
Google is force feeding us Gmail.
Will other jabber services allow me to use MY EXISTING EMAIL ADDRESS?
If not then Jabber is shite.
It doesn’t have anything to do with e-mail. Google Talk just uses the e-mail address as a login because it’s convenient for integration with their other services. Other servers use other things for logins- such as whatever nick you want, IRC-style. Why don’t you calm down, lay off the caps lock key, and read some useful information[1].
1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabber
I dont want nicks, I want to use my email. Is that possible? Its possible on MSN.
You don’t need to be so belligerent and trollish, 82.18.224.—. We get the idea from your large number of similar posts, that you’re not a fan of this service. That’s nice. Now know that there’s nothing stopping you from using MSN. Enjoy your propriatary protocol! Have fun with your miscellaneous winks, nudges, and annoying custom smilies! Good bye, and no great loss!
*wince* there goes my average comment score…
I dont want nicks, I want to use my email. Is that possible? Its possible on MSN.
No. That is not possible. Jabber adresses are shaped username@jabberserver. You register at them with your email adress.
I use gaim, but I liked the original client, it is clean.
I dont want to have to create yet another “NICKNAME” crapola, I already have a valid email address I use for my “ID”. Doesnt jabber enforce use of emails as IDs?
Sounds like “lockin” to Yahoo type “ID’s” to me. Sucks.
I don’t feel like wasting any more mod points on this bozo.
With all the people using MSN currently and the really awful performance and security it brings, this is a win-win for open source and proper open standards (not the bizarre definition Microsoft has for it).
Google is a brand name people will really listen to, and if it can be used with any chat application (no reason why not – it’s Jabber) then it is a good step forwards for chat on more platforms than Windows and for open source desktops. Yes you need a GMail account, but who cares? Google are providing the service and it’s their servers and infrastructure you’re using.
… then they have fixed SIP and connect to other jabber servers, until then it’s just yet another useless IM.
some points to consider:
When you use Google Talk, we may record information about your usage of Google Talk, such as when you use Google Talk, the size of your contact list and the contacts you communicate with, and the frequency and size of data transfers. Information displayed or clicked on in the Google Talk interface (including UI elements, settings, and other information) is also recorded. We use this information internally to deliver the best possible service to you, such as improving the Google Talk user interface and maintaining a consistent and reliable user experience.
someone was asking if google supports advanced features of the xmpp. the german c’t magazine used apples ichat with google talk to transmit videos. so i guess file sharing is possible.
talking ’bout the cut server2server communication have a look at http://nolan.eakins.net/node/209 . That guy basically recommends to send a mail [email protected] to let google know, that you’d like to federate with them (given you run your own jabber server)
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That’s why I love Google! 🙂 I’m not forced to use thier client. Sure, I’ll loose added value (VoIP) but still, it’s a good deal! I see big boost of intrest in Jabber overall. I think that Google made it visible to others in IT sector, that you can use Open Protocols.
http://bronikowski.com/upload/gjabber.png 😀
Does this Google Talk client support coonferences like YM!? That is, can I have a whole ‘room’ full of people that can use voice capabilities, rather than a 1-on-1 only voice session? With YM!, you can invite a whole slew of people to a conference, and anybody with a microphone can talk rather than type to everybody in that conference. Can you do the same with gtalk?
I want to use it but I also want to use my existing email address as my ID. Easier to remember and not having god knows how many custom ID’s per all the IM services I have to use atm.
Im just stating MSN doesnt lock us into custom nicks or Gmail or jabber ID’s. Sure the protocol is shite but hey at least Im not locked into Gmail
If only they allowed us to use ANY ID in the form of emails, google would have a win.
Then again its not SSL either. Something SKYPE has in its favour, SSL IM’s and VoIP out of the box.
When will google realise people also want privacy protection.
Wonder when my IM’s will also be accompanied by some bit of adsense text, google is funded by the advert business model, its nieve to think they wont spam you with ads somewhere along the line. “We interrupt this voice message to bring you a word from our sponsers… “
After all they already lied to us previously saying they would NOT be entering the IM market. This flies in the face of previous statements.
SO, what other lies will they be telling us.
Google should allow bridging with other jabber servers and should also install all the transport layer for the other IM protocol. Think about it. That would be a MSN killer, you can talk to your friend on MSN, Yahoo, ICQ and Jabber, have VoIP with other client supporting it. They could invest on developping the bridge so you could transport your avatar on other IM network.
They should also allow people with Jabber account from other servers to log in with their clients. That would simply boost the jabber protocol. What they have to think now is to scramble the game for Yahoo, M$ and AOL, not just attract some other people to a new IM service, which most of them will say: Oh, a new IM service by google! What a feat!
Yeah, Yeah, me too I love google, I own a gmail address and I stopped using my Yahoo for it. But still, I can receive email from everyone on it, not just from other gmail members. I wont stop using MSN messenger until I can receive message, emoticons, avatar, webcam,etc… from other MSN member on this new IM service.
Just my two cents….
Werfu
Google should allow bridging with other jabber servers and should also install all the transport layer for the other IM protocol.
It’s in the works. Read the FAQ.
Nope under linux / suse 9.1
i get this error:
jabber: Recv (ssl)(78): <failure xmlns=”urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:xmpp-sasl”><invalid-authzid/>&l t;/failure>
g_log: file xmlnode.c: line 192 (xmlnode_get_child_with_namespace): assertion `parent != NULL’ failed
g_log: file xmlnode.c: line 192 (xmlnode_get_child_with_namespace): assertion `parent != NULL’ failed
g_log: file xmlnode.c: line 192 (xmlnode_get_child_with_namespace): assertion `parent != NULL’ failed
g_log: file xmlnode.c: line 192 (xmlnode_get_child_with_namespace): assertion `parent != NULL’ failed
g_log: file xmlnode.c: line 192 (xmlnode_get_child_with_namespace): assertion `parent != NULL’ failed
g_log: file xmlnode.c: line 192 (xmlnode_get_child_with_namespace): assertion `parent != NULL’ failed
autorecon: hid error message while connecting (Authentication Failure)
check your advanced settings for the jabber account and make sure you’ve got tls checked.
Does anyone know if the Google Talk client program uses Qt just like Google Earth?
Google, please release more of these offering with a LINUX VERSION! Yes, I know I can use GAIM with this new Google Talk but I want a client from YOU, Google, which allows me to use the VOIP feature..
Otherwise I’ll just load up Skype, which makes me feel bad because I like open source and free.
C’mon, Google, release a Linux client with all of the features of the Windows client.
After all, that’s what Jesus would do.
Remember Google Summer of Code? No wonder they accepted several proposals for GAIM, specially fixing up file transfer. Here’s hoping they’ll put in voice soon.
I just tried it…worked well except that Gaim doesn’t support searching for people o_O If you don’t know the exact contact information of a person, you’re out of luck. I even went to ask in #gaim about this, but I was immediately labeled as a stalker! Now talk about user-friendly O_o
-WereCat
Its easy, its just their gmail address. In fact, so far I’ve noticed everyone I’ve sent an email to through my gmail account has been added to my gaim buddy list. Somewhat annoying actually.
GIZMO
I am getting a stream error on two different machines
Google has such great developers on its team, I wonder why they’re not making a browser/Javascript-based client. I haven’t checked the APIs recently, but I’m sure there’s enough support to make an IM client, at least. VoIP is another thing, but perhaps it’s already do-able.
Will Google opensource this code?
It looks a nice app but my gripes are no SSL and ID lockin to gmail.com.
No SSL? You’re talking about GMail then. Because GoogleTalk is over SSL.
The interface reminds me of miranda because of how simple and nice it is, but it is even better. Conversation windows are tabbed as well. The voice chat seems superiour to skype in terms of latency, voice quality, and speed of connecting (the instant the other person accepts the call, unless they have a firewall).
And integration with Gmail is nice, though I know other IMs have the ability to do so with POP. Still, this beats the pants off of the bloated MSN Messenger that nearly everyone in Canada seems to use. And GAIM I still do not love.
Is it?, I saw no padlock , oh well thats good, is VoIP over SSL too and IM’s?
Still I cant get in because I dont use GMail.com
I have no idea about cryptography and VoIP, as I’m Kopete/PSI user. 🙂
Yeah they came from Microsoft *ducks*
So I can use a MATCHING theme to match my STANDARD widgets and not some OS X wanabie theme.
has anyone tryed to get it working in wine?
has anyone tryed to get it working in wine?
Yes. Haven’t logged in, though the main dialog box comes up. For what it’s worth.
Yeah it works *hic* great with wine, even better with vodka, and yeah im naked.
outside of voice, this client is a real “retro” experience. yawn…..
That’s what I was saying, ICQ and MSN are centralized and it doesn’t matter. I don’t care. What would be so bad if e-mail was also centralized?
Email was once centralized. Once upon a time it was absolute hell to send email between CompuServe and Prodigy. SMTP fixed that. Believe me, you don’t want to go back to that mess.
Uhh…Did you even read the whole thing? This still does only lead to more fragmentation: you can only use their server and it’s not bridged to anywhere else. So, again, it’s a single company controlling this whole thing…So, if Google went out of business, or they have some sort of a network problem rendering them unreachable, we would still be in the same situation you were talking about.
Uhh… Did YOU read the whole thing? This is only the first beta release. Google plans on offering full connectivity with other Jabber servers as well as other protocols as soon as they can get support for them worked in.
[/i]About the users: I don’t think many average IM users does really care about the opennes of a certain protocol. I know I don’t care, as long as it works and doesn’t cost me anything. If it costs me something, I stop using it. The same goes for anyone I personally know.[/i]
About the users: I do think the average IM user finds it a pain in the ass that they have to have multiple clients open at the same time to talk to friends on different IM networks.
Suprising that they dont go with Qt(pretty sure they can afford the license
or GTK.
Any comments on that?
>>outside of voice, this client is a real “retro” experience. yawn…..
I like 2002 then. We didnt go in the right direction. If is necessary to go…..welll….so be it.
I know its an XMPP address I just want to use my email address as my XMPP address thats all. FOR CONVIENENCE.
Acutally, it does work with 1.5.0. Using it right now. Follow the instructions here:
http://www.smashsworld.com/2005/08/im-on-google-talk-right-now.php
I find it interesting that they are comparing against other instant messaging clients and touting that they have voip. Meanwhile avoiding voip products that include instant messaging.
If I was to compare apples to apples you should compare theri product and products such as skype.
Why are these legitimate posts being modded down to nothing? Taking the lazy way out by modding down rather than replying to? ^^
“Google, please release more of these offering with a LINUX VERSION! Yes, I know I can use GAIM with this new Google Talk but I want a client from YOU, Google, which allows me to use the VOIP feature..
Otherwise I’ll just load up Skype, which makes me feel bad because I like open source and free.
C’mon, Google, release a Linux client with all of the features of the Windows client.
After all, that’s what Jesus would do.
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“To use Google Talk, you must sign in with your Gmail username and password.”
http://www.google-watch.org
Don’t trust this company if You cherish Your privacy.
>> Don’t trust this company if You cherish Your privacy.
So I shouldnt trust anybody(yahoo, hotmail, my bank). At least google tells me that they have this information. Take to the extreme: dont use computers.
What’s not being mentioned in most news reports is Google Talk is based on Jabber, a free and open protocol already with open servers around the world. You can use any Jabber enabled client to talk to people on Google-talk or on the normal Jabber networks. So far the people who tried Google-Talk yesterday can’t talk to people on Jabber.org or other Jabber servers. I don’t see whats the allure of Google-Talk, you can just sign up with any of the open Jabber servers (no GMail required and you get full access).
To everyone who dislikes Google Talk because it has too few features or doesn’t work with Linux or whatever, please read this document: <http://www.google.com/talk/developer.html>. It explains a few of these complaints. Also, read this <http://www.google.com/support/talk/bin/answer.py?answer=23907> if you want GTalk to support your email adress. Biggest thing that someone should get from these posts? “We are working on it.” This is a beta application, made to test the system. Features come after a safe, secure, bug-free system.
The nice thing about Jabber is that no single company can dictate terms; you can get free clients that can handle it, and you don’t have to deal with pop-up advertising. However, the one drawback is that it still requires a server, which means whoever controls that server *can* dictate terms. However, that’s just life, really; he who owns the toys makes the rules.
The “Inbox” link doesn’t work, the Gmail logo in the tray popup too. It’s not possible to sent email even by clickind Gmail logo in my contacts list…..
How to fix that ? Or maybe this is because of beta state …