With Breezy Badger on its way its time for the announcement of what the next +1 release will be called, and the Ubuntu team has decided that the next +1 release (6.04) will be called The Dapper Drake. This release of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years after release, and the Ubuntu developers are going to work as hard and as long as possible on Dapper Drake, as it’s what they’re going to release in response to MS’s release of Windows Vista.
the Ubuntu Dev’s are going to work as hard and as long as possible on Dapper Drake, as it’s what they’re going to release in response to MS’s release of Windows Vista.
Actually it will probably come out before Vista, not as a post release response. Ubuntu might be able to slip one more release past that one in if MS delays.
and maybe one more if MS continue their tradition of delaying Longhorn/Vista…not a remote possibility..
Gnome is clearly more and more inspired by the Finder. What about in response to WWDC 2006 and Leopard?
Breezy Badger? Dapper Drake? Sounds like something you hear in a kindergarten class.
Yeah, but you can remember those names, can’t you? 🙂
Yup, and everything I needed to succeed, I learned in kindergarten.
You forgot Warty Warthog and Hoary Hedgehog.
personally I like these names, but if you don’t you could just call it by it’s version number.
Stop whining.
The naming scheme is based on characters from a series children’s books, I can’t quite remember which ones ATM though.
Hi,
I have breezy upgraded from hoary on my thinkpad, Breezy in itself is capable enough to take on any other OS, though hibernate and boot speed are not as good as WinXP. But apart from that, breezy is simply tooo good.
Definately when breezy is released I’ll do a fresh install of Breezy and enable drapper repositories.
Looking forward to breezy official release.
Do you have problems with your sound on your Thinkpad?
I have a 600E with sound difficulties.
dap·per (dăp’ər)
adj.
1. a. Neatly dressed; trim.
b. Very stylish in dress.
2. Lively and alert.
– and –
drake1 (drāk)
n.
A male duck.
Drake can also (in a fantasy setting) mean a baby dragon.
And to think people complain about VISTA as a product name… I’m still waiting for someone to make a linux distro called “Dopey Dimwit”
People make fun of Vista because the list of products named Vista in history is 12,000 pages…
Anybody heard of a product called Dapper Drake yet?
Wow, that came out terribly…
no it didn’t come out terribly, it cheered me up on this gloomy rainsoaked Belfast morning
it might sound like a “gay duck”
but I think I will give it a go on the spare machine I keep especially for testing Ubuntu distros on.
Bear in mind that the official name for this thing is Ubuntu 6.04. Dapper Drake is just a codename, and you aren’t going to see it unless you start nosing around in the repository settings.
You can say that, but I’ve noticed with the previous Ubuntu releases that the “codename” is used to discuss the distribution more than the official name/version number. At that point it fails to be a codename at all, and instead you just have a distribution with a goofy name. Codenames aren’t really codenames if they’re used for advertising.
Do they really want Mandriva to haul them over the coals for trademark infringement? From their Mandrake days, they have active trademarks on gobs of Linux related activities with the word ‘drake’ in them, and next time they start to run out of money, Canonicals big backer might look like making a nice target…
can you honestly see that happening ?
two high profile linux providers sueing each other in plain view of the public ?
I don’t think so
something like that would set linux use back 10 years.
Remember, this is linux you are talking about, not proprietary software producers, but two companies who are used to this strange and wonderful concept called – sharing.
mandriva is not microsoft ! that is all I gotta say
Do they really want Mandriva to haul them over the coals for trademark infringement?
Unlikely. For starters, Mandrake had to change their name for Mandriva precisely because the added “drake” part caused them to be sued by United Features Syndicate (IIRC). They do not own the Mandrake trademark, UFS does.
Furthermore, any trademarks Mandrake may have had was on the word “Mandrake”, not “drake”. The fact that setup programs are called drakconf, drakboot, rpmdrake, etc. is irrelevant. I’m pretty sure Mandrake didn’t trademark the common word “drake” or a diminutive “drak”. But even if that was possible (it might be in the case of “drak”), it would have to file additional trademarks for each individual programs. You can’t file a trademark for use of a group of letters into another word.
Add to the that the fact that it’s not in Ubuntu’s practice to use the name of their release (or group of letters fro them) for naming configuration tools, and what you have here is a non-issue.
Please correct the article – Ubuntu 6.04 will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, 5 years on the server. That’s a very important distinction. 🙂
I switched from Mandrake 10 to Ubuntu Hoary last weekend, and I can tell you that I’m really liking it
I used to be a KDE user, but I actually like GNOME now, it’s very clean and neat.
I still don’t like the open/save dialog boxes as they behave a bit differently to anything else and my old habits cause me to make mistakes. E.g, selecting a directory (with a directory selection dialog) normally involves double click a directory to _enter_ it, and that directory you are _in_ is the directory chosen. But in GNOME, it is the highlighted directory that is the one chosen. :/
AFAIK the bug of opening the highlighted directory was fixed as of Gnome 2.12 (at least I reported it as a bug, and was told it was fixed a long time ago… although someone feel free to differ)
Don’t get too used to it too, in Breezy it’s back to normal behaviour
They’ve fixed that in Breezy for the most part. Selecting a directory DOES now involve double clicking it to enter it.
Please change the word Ubunru to Ubuntu in the News clipping above.. imho the name’s crappy hoary warty and breezy were cool but dapper drake arrgghh…
they’ll work on improving the installer. Less steps. IIRC no LILO options for us that had OSes to XPs FlexBoot menu.
*hint* BeOS had a good installer *hint*
I hope that Ubuntu keeps using (and improving) the Debian installer. It’s already a very good installer and it’s still under active development. Ubuntu could build a GUI on top of the Debian installer and this way also Debian might one day have a GUI installer. 🙂
Beos also has a very nice boot loader. It takes care of my quad partitioned drive loaded with XP, BeOS, PCBSD and Breezy.
javajazz
why do you need four operating systems?
For example, usability and resource efficiency of Gnome panel leaves much to be desired. Think applet placement (especially reordering – compare how easy it is in KDE and Windows and how awkward it is even in the latest Gnome version). Think slow loading (LAUNCHERS ALONE load several seconds on Cel D 2.6 GHz with 512M RAM!!!).
These little annoyances aside, Ubuntu already (as of Breezy) makes a good desktop. Now only if everything worked (struggling with Totem… ;-))
Think applet placement (especially reordering – compare how easy it is in KDE and Windows and how awkward it is even in the latest Gnome version).
Just hold the middle mouse button on the item of your choice and drag around (holding shift will push adjacent items). I’ve not seen applets on Windows yet and on KDE I couldn’t even figure out how to drag an applet to another panel.
There are also easier to discover ways to move applets. Some even have drag handles, otherwise you can always chose “move” from the context menu. What more do you want?
Just hold the middle mouse button on the item of your choice and drag around (holding shift will push adjacent items). I’ve not seen applets on Windows yet and on KDE I couldn’t even figure out how to drag an applet to another panel.
Thanks, I’ll try it. The problem is: it’s not discoverable. This is bad UI.
My wording was probably not very precise, because on Windows, you only have launchers that are moveable. But on Windows taskbar I’ve never had a situation where moving a launcher leaves empty space. In Gnome it happens quite often. No, dont tell me to lock them, because I have to do it one-by-one. This is bad UI. Sometimes after an icon disappears from the notification area, it leaves empty space after itself, too. I don’t have that in Windows. The icons just align to the left by default, and if I want to protect the launcher bar from modification, I can lock it all at once.
Yes, it’s all minor things – after all, you don’t move launchers and applets too often. But it still counts, especially when you re going to compete against Vista.
it’s not discoverable. This is bad UI.
The middle mouse button drag is only a shortcut to rightclick->move, so it’s not bad UI at all. Knowing the shift modifier is helpful but not required and there are countless other helpful modifiers which are not easily discoverable. I would be surprised if you could come up with a better solution that has no disadvantages (but everyone would be happy about that).
But on Windows taskbar I’ve never had a situation where moving a launcher leaves empty space.
Because launchers are limited to a dedicated space. This is a lot less flexible but could be easily reproduced by creating a container-applet for launchers[1]. Both approaches have advantages but also disadvantages which one has to live with. Besides, once you learn the shift modifier you will see that it becomes very easy to push applets together.
Sometimes after an icon disappears from the notification area, it leaves empty space after itself, too.
Yes, that’s weird. It probably is a bug, I never really bothered about it. But the notication area is a totally different concept from the panel itself.
Yes, it’s all minor things – after all, you don’t move launchers and applets too often. But it still counts, especially when you re going to compete against Vista.
I could tell you countless little things which piss me off when I try to use Windows. There will always be things which don’t quite work as expected while using a lesser known platform. You just can’t win if you try to please everyone, so it’s more important to focus on the strengths and to continuously try to get the details right as much as possible.
[1] http://quick-lounge.sourceforge.net/
i literally cant do my job on windows with a quick launch bar enabled. ive struggled with various configurations, but the taskbar just doesnt scale beyond 20 apps or so, you end up alt-tabbing all the time. for me this is a major problem for me, and one ive never had with gnome.
it all depends on what is important to your style of working.
I feel ya 🙂 For that, I make the panel on Windows double- or triple-wide.
gstreamer version on totem does nto work out of the box.
install totem-xine instead, works flawlessly
I did that already. Totem-xine complains that audio device is busy for no apparent reason. Xine itself works OK, but I can’t stand its UI.
>>install totem-xine instead, works flawlessly<<
Better yet, install VLC if you want something to work flawlessly (IMHO).
IIRC 6.04 won’t be against Windows Vista, but it’ll be 6.10, since Vista isn’t suppose to be out until November. Right?
Wrong.
As this is the release that is going to get support for several years, this is the release that counts against vista.
Of course, since 6 months after Vista there’ll be another big Ubuntu release that one will more likely be the one people look at. Because realistically, few people are going to jump onto Vista within the first 6 months (we call these people early adopters).
Actually, maybe we should look at two years after Vista when people’s computers get really old and they want to upgrade?
Right now I’m using Mandriva 10.2 and will upgrade to the next version when it’s released. Unfortunately, Mandriva’s release date is similar to Gnome’s so it will
be one version behind (2.10) I’d love to have the new
features of Gnome 2.12 and would switch to Ubuntu if it had something like the Mandriva Control Centre! As a
perpetual newbie I can’t do without it!
what will become the new Ubuntu regarding Debian?
Now they hired gustavo neymeyer from mandriva (he is in charge of smart the next (deb-)package manager in Ubuntu?)
http://www.livejournal.com/users/gniemeyer/11415.html#cutid1
Do ubuntu will stay as it is regarding its relation with debian? they are already not part of the dcc! il looks like that Ubuntu is going to be more and more independant.
It’s not a jugement just a thougt looking forward of what’s is actually going on.
True, it reminds me of when I switched from Red Hat 5.0 to Mandrake 6.0 back in the day, that was when MDK was coming out from behind Red Hat’s shadow, and I think Ubuntu is doing the same thing now. Nothing towards RH or Debian, but hey, Ubuntu has legs now, it’s taking off. I’ve got Breezy on my Workstation, laptop and now my iBook laptop even; it’s a great, great distro.
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If you are talking about smartpm, don’t worry. Smart is a replacement for apt/synaptic and that level of tools. dpkg-* and debs are still used as backend.
http://dc5video.debian.net/mpeg/2005-07-14/02-Ubuntu_Talk-Mark_Shut…
Watch this, very elightening. It’s Mark explaining how he views the relationship between debian and ubuntu and what he hopes to achive.
If I’m not mistaken, the language used in south africa is some kind of ancient derivate of the dutch language.
That could give Dapper an extra meaning.
Dapper means brave in dutch.
There are 11 languages in South Africa, although English is the predominant one.
You are refering to Afrikaans, which does have it’s roots in dutch, and Dapper does indeed mean Brave
is this some kind of joke at Mandrake’s expense? i refuse ot call them mandriva or whatever they’re called next week.
Good news,i hope a lot will follow their example.Kudos to the Ubuntu community.
If you don’t know what a mandrake is, what a drake is, and if you’re an idiot.
Name is okay I guess but still confusing for people using kubuntu.
AFAIK it’s not one option Ubuntu Team offers but two.
Ubuntu team usually uses the same code name for both distros and they say : ‘It’s 6.04 that will be up against Windows Vista, so let’s make it a zinger and give folks a real choice.’
Considering how the two distros, ubuntu and kubuntu, are tightly wrapped around their own desktop solution (gnome and kde) and how different are the technical solutions to various desktop management problems in Gnome and Kde, it does sound a lil bit weird to hear something like ‘we’re going to offer users the choice between us and them’ like it was all a matter of ‘polish’, ‘eye-candy’, colors, wallpaper, style, windeco, splash screen etc.
Of course what shows is important but what about the rest ? For BOTH distros ?
It about time to clarify things. They may call the next distros whatever they want, Ubuntu designing the whole project (the core) AND the Gnome distro is definitely a bad idea IMO. Both distros have stuff in common. Alright. But they are also largely different as experience for the users spending 90% of their time on a desktop. The Ubuntu project is not one and only alternative to Vista. It’s two. Time to understand it.
ubuntu != kubuntu. okay?
KUbuntu is not a part of Ubuntu its more lika a weird cousin, Ubuntu is a Gnome-based system..
From http://www.kubuntu.org/faq.php :
‘it is an official part of Ubuntu’.
That is why the ‘weird cousin’ can get confused sometimes.
From http://www.kubuntu.org
“The Kubuntu project aims to be to KDE what Ubuntu is to Gnome: an integrated distro with all the great features of Ubuntu, but based on the KDE desktop.”
I guess it’s an unfortunate use of wording in the FAQ.
Judging from http://www.ubuntu.com there are three members in the family: Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Edubuntu
I do agree that it can be a bit confusing though. Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Edubuntu are three “branches” of the Ubuntu tree? Which in turn is a branch of Debian?
Close but not quite. The Ubuntu repositories are a stabilized branch of Debian SID. Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Edubuntu are all different packagings of the same repository. In essense, they are just different faces of the same “distribution”.
You can turn Ubuntu into Kubuntu (and Ubuntu) or Kubuntu into with Ubuntu (and Kubuntu) a simple apt-get. Ditto with Edubuntu.
while they are at it they should have called it something more stupid .. like piercing platipus.
Anyway looking forward to the new release …
It sounds like one of the villian characters from that cartoon show “DuckTales” from many years ago
Scrooge McDuck versus Dapper Drake. Will Huey, Duey and Louie come in and save the day? 
I would like Ubuntu joined the debian core consortium. Ubuntu is a nice distro but i think it doesn´t quite cutit yet. Why dont they join the debian core consortium in order to strenghten the linux movement? They are duplicating efforts with other distros, and i´m afraid they are contibuting to forking the debian standard.
I have tried warty, hoary and breeezy (beta) and I have had problems with all of them, including the kubuntu versions (and I have pretty standard hardware).
Instead I have tried Knoppix, Kanotix and slax (both live and installed-to hd) and I had no noticeable problems with them. Why is people so excited about Ubuntu? I hope they can solve the problems, end up making a great distro and reconsider helping back to the debian family, as it is the base they come from.
Linux have a grat oportunity to build a real desktop alternative before vista hits the streets, if just these big initiatives (ubuntu+dcc+slax+kano) could join forces I think it would be great!
how are they forking? every change they do goes back into debian core. thats called a branch, not a fork. how are they duplicating efforts? anyone who uses debian benefits from ubuntu packages.
i have had significant issues with knoppix, even though everyone praises it for how well it works on every computer. i dont know what the issues were on your machine, but warty, hoary, and breezy have all worked astonishing well on my machine. im talking, zero problems. this isnt to say its perfect, its to say that a test bed of 1 means absolutely nothing when it comes to linux.
ubuntu is based on sarge, and is made to be a minimalist gnome-centric, desktop oriented distro. slax is based on slack, and is meant to be a business card live cd. how will their joining forces benefit anyone, they exist for wildly different reasons.
ubuntu is based on sarge, and is made to be a minimalist gnome-centric, desktop oriented distro.
Ubuntu is based on Sid. Thats one reason it won’t join the DCCA.
There are two reasons why Ubuntu is unlikely to join:
* Debian isn’t part of the DCC Alliance and Ubuntu isn’t a commercial distribution.
* Ubuntu is based off of SID. DCC Alliance code is based off Sarge plus some selected backports. The only way Ubuntu could be based off of DCC Alliance code is if SID were backported to Sarge — that sort of defeats the purpose of SID/Testing.
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Well hopefully it will use KDE rather than Gnome, and no I won’t use Kubuntu because it’s terrible – they slap on kde like lipstick slapped on a whore.
Well hopefully it will use KDE rather than Gnome, and no I won’t use Kubuntu because it’s terrible – they slap on kde like lipstick slapped on a whore.
Let us all use this as a great example of constructive criticism and how to employ it a critical analytical fashion.
Btw, Ubuntu is a gnome-based distro and will be for the near future.
AFAIK, it will always use gnome, cos of lisencing issues with KDE
You could always apt get install kubuntu-desktop from ubuntu, that’s what I did…
Wasn’t there supposed to be updated-daily bleeding-edge release called Grumpy Groundhog (targeted twords developers)? I’ve got a spare box I’d love to try that on…has there been anything new on this front?
somebody call Hearst’s legal department.
😉
“Do they really want Mandriva to haul them over the coals for trademark infringement? From their Mandrake days, they have active trademarks on gobs of Linux related activities with the word ‘drake’ in them, and next time they start to run out of money, Canonicals big backer might look like making a nice target…”
No, we don’t, because we lost a trademark infringement lawsuit to Hearst, and now they own all the Mandrake-related Linux trademarks. Which is why we’re called Mandriva now.
Hmm…I hadn’t seen your reply when I wrote mine. Thanks for making it even clearer!
BTW Mandriva 2006.0 is going to be a kickass distro. Love the new wallpaper… (thank god the psychedelic tux is gone!!)
A much better name then the kiddy names of the past.
Personally, I find the whole name complaint to be a bit strange. O’Reilly has been adding animals to it’s books for *years* and no-one seems to complain. The Linux mascot is a penguin. Apache uses the Tomcat as it’s logo and OpenBSD has a buffer fish as it’s mascot.
When all is said and done, Unix culture is very animal-friendly. Why should Ubuntu hide that affinity?
I’ve tried Warty and it was crap, but I’m actualy using Kubuntu Hoary, which is by now, my prefered KDE-tuned distro. I’m looking greatly toward the breezy stabilization and I’m whishing Ubuntu will go on and on, because it make such a great distro. Sure other will compare it to RH, or Mandrivia, or Suse… but hey, this is free software, not crap you gotta pay for.
I’m glad the Ubuntu team is looking toward Vista, because if they can get X11R7, KDE4.0, Gnome 3 to work and have them be as full of eyes candy than Windows (remember the KDE Plasma projet?) it will hurt M$ a lot. Getting XGL would be even cooler, but hum, it’s still far far away.
But for now, Ubuntu got to have this:
– A better graphic-mode package manager, as efficiant as Aptitude, and even more.
– A graphic-mode installer
– An out of the box support for MP3 and other commercial standard
– Merge the installation discs of the three branch, so you could select witch Ubuntu flavor you want during the installation and not during the download.
– Have the possiblity to use scripts during the installation to make custom builded distro on Ubuntu base (would be usefull in entreprise environnement) Ã la M$ RIS.
– Have a better integration in the PAM support, having a possibility to log against an Active Directory or LDAP three.
– Have a server way, proposing a global gesture of parameter and authentification of user, Ã la Active Diretory using Kerberos and LDAP and integrate it with Samba, so Windows machine would work in Ubuntu domain.
– More support for user gadget, like webcam, usb scanner (I know it’s kernel side, but I guess there should be at least one guy in the distro sitting at the kernel dev table)
The road is long before whe can get to enlightenment, but the day shall come!
– A better graphic-mode package manager, as efficiant as Aptitude, and even more.
Is part of Breezy.
– An out of the box support for MP3 and other commercial standard
Can’t because of legal issues.
– Merge the installation discs of the three branch, so you could select witch Ubuntu flavor you want during the installation and not during the download.
Not everyone has broadband.
– Have the possiblity to use scripts during the installation to make custom builded distro on Ubuntu base (would be usefull in entreprise environnement) Ã la M$ RIS.
Well….they are working on lauchpad.
– More support for user gadget, like webcam, usb scanner (I know it’s kernel side, but I guess there should be at least one guy in the distro sitting at the kernel dev table)
Thats not really in Ubuntu’s hands.
All in all, Ubuntu has made good progress…and the Drake will be the first “big” release.
– A better graphic-mode package manager, as efficiant as Aptitude, and even more.
you dont like synaptic? maybe its just cause im used to it, but i really have no beefs.
– A graphic-mode installer
well, only as long as they dont drop the text mode one (which could use some more work, especially in the partitioning screens). but i know not everyone likes curses installers, so having something like anaconda would probably be a plus
– An out of the box support for MP3 and other commercial standard
due to some changes in the patent, this isnt really possible. the only other commercial standard that isnt there is dvd playback, but remember, xp doesnt ship with that out of the box either. but regardless, that would be illegal too. what would be nice is some more work on third party “addon” cds and scripts that are floating around. ubuntu itself could turn a blind eye, while everyone just ran the post-install package.
– Merge the installation discs of the three branch, so you could select witch Ubuntu flavor you want during the installation and not during the download.
well, ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-live, kubuntu, etc are all virtual packages. its real easy to add it in post install. although, it may be nice to have something a bit more visual then that. personally, i dont have a problem with hybrid discs, as long as it stays a single cd distro.
– Have the possiblity to use scripts during the installation to make custom builded distro on Ubuntu base (would be usefull in entreprise environnement) Ã la M$ RIS.
that would be real nice, would encourage some not so legal ubuntu+not legal bits distros, which would help some users quite a bit (its rather suprising how hard it is for people to get mp3/dvd/w32codec support going)
– Have a better integration in the PAM support, having a possibility to log against an Active Directory or LDAP three.
definately would be nice, cant say ive needed it yet, but im sure i will in the future.
– Have a server way, proposing a global gesture of parameter and authentification of user, Ã la Active Diretory using Kerberos and LDAP and integrate it with Samba, so Windows machine would work in Ubuntu domain.
– More support for user gadget, like webcam, usb scanner (I know it’s kernel side, but I guess there should be at least one guy in the distro sitting at the kernel dev table)
iPod support bloody rocks nowadays, and thats all i personally use. i know webcams are a serious bitch in linux, due to the propriatary drivers. someone should really sit down and do some reverse engineering.
The road is long before whe can get to enlightenment, but the day shall come!
http://www.enlightenment.org/?
hehe, just kidding.
c’mon…name’s?!? Sure Dapper Drake is a tad lame but not many say “Jeepers, I just installed the latest Dapper Drake and it’s swell!” Its “I run Ubuntu”…lest of course you are on #slackware
-nX
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I need them for disaster preparedness.
No, just joking. I have 4 operating systems to fill my time. some people do puzzles. I keep these babies up to date and that is quite time filling. so all 4 of them are hobby OS’s.
I can hear that refrain, “Get A Life”.
🙂