http://www.osnews.com/story/12524/Gideon_the_Versatile_GUI_Designer_for_GTK_C_ Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2013, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Sat, 25 May 2013 07:35:35 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif http://www.osnews.com http://www.osnews.com/thread?55253 http://www.osnews.com/thread?55253 why everyone writes his own GUI Designer? Glade, Static, Gibeon,... all programs for the same task -> creating Gtk-GUIs. Als long as the create all the same xml file there is at least no compatibility problem but i don't understand why everyone wants to write his own designer?

Especially on Gtkmm: I think the most needed feature is not just another GUI-Designer. I think it would be much more important that libglademm would have an autoconnect function. Gtkmm is the only (big) toolkit were i have to connect all my signals by hand. A GUI Designer could be so much more usefull if i could connect the signals directly with the designer like i can do it with Gtk+ or Gtk#. Thu, 03 Nov 2005 20:30:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (pinky) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread?55263 http://www.osnews.com/thread?55263 Well this is the first one (for GTK) that _looks_ halfway decent. There's nothing quite as ironic as a gui editor that's unusable. Thu, 03 Nov 2005 20:46:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Tyr.) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread?55272 http://www.osnews.com/thread?55272 Gideon is the code name for KDevelop. There are 56.200 google hits for "gideon kde". "gideon gtk" redirects me to the KDevelop main page. Thu, 03 Nov 2005 21:06:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread?55283 http://www.osnews.com/thread?55283 why everyone writes his own GUI Designer? Glade, Static, Gibeon,... all programs for the same task -> creating Gtk-GUIs. Als long as the create all the same xml file there is at least no compatibility problem but i don't understand why everyone wants to write his own designer?

But better to have more than one in the beginning. So that we will have different way of genarating GUI with different peoples innovation. At last, we will have one better out of all. I think that may take years. There is no good GUI genarator for GTK/Gnome as QT. But Glade 3.X is look like promising. Any way let us see. Thu, 03 Nov 2005 21:30:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread?55301 http://www.osnews.com/thread?55301 Why create another GTK GUI Designer? Well first I think a loot of people just can't wait for Glade3 but there are other reasons too. Glade3 doesn't create code anymore; it is now the responsibility of the GTK wrapper to provide an XML -> code converter if they want one. Some projects might just create their own GUI Designer if they have to do that.

Example, Stetic:
MonoDevelop needs a GUI Designer, they need a code generator for C# (and maybe others). Option a) wrap Glade3 and create an XML -> c# program, b) write from scratch a program that creates c# code.
Might as well go with b) and get to do some of the fun stuff to and not just the tedious stuff. Thu, 03 Nov 2005 21:55:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread?55309 http://www.osnews.com/thread?55309 >MonoDevelop needs a GUI Designer, they need a code generator for C#

why does they need a code generator? I think code generation is a really bad idea. Also Qt4 has introduce the way to load the xml file into the application.

On c# just type:
Glade.XML gui = new Glade.XML("gladefile.glade", "window");
gui.Autoconnect(this);

and everything is fine. Thu, 03 Nov 2005 22:21:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (pinky) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread?55315 http://www.osnews.com/thread?55315 Libglade is not part of GTK, If your not sure you have it code generations saves you from needing it. Thu, 03 Nov 2005 22:26:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread?55319 http://www.osnews.com/thread?55319 The only editor I've seen easier to use than glade was VB, and that was because of the layout method used by VB verse Gtk.
I don't know why people rag on Glade... It gets the job done extremely well. Thu, 03 Nov 2005 22:32:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (ma_d) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread?55320 http://www.osnews.com/thread?55320 Gtk version 3 will contain libglade... Thu, 03 Nov 2005 22:34:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (ma_d) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread?55321 http://www.osnews.com/thread?55321 Code generation is a great idea... Everyone's doing it . Seriously XAML? It doesn't dynamically load XAML files, they're built into the project and they supposedly end up as code in the end (so they're quick).
The only advantage to not generating code is binary distribution allowing user changing of the layout...

A glade_xml->gtk_c would be really nice. You stick it in your makefile, and boom you're done; and you can edit your project with the gui editor later without being super careful not to break something! Thu, 03 Nov 2005 22:36:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (ma_d) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread?55372 http://www.osnews.com/thread?55372 > Gideon is the code name for KDevelop. There are 56.200
> google hits for "gideon kde". "gideon gtk" redirects me
> to the KDevelop main page.

Poor suckers always trying to rip off KDE but miserably fail with their broken horrible GNOME desktop. So who gives shit for GNOME actually ? No distribution except some african shite uses GNOME. Fri, 04 Nov 2005 00:25:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread?55390 http://www.osnews.com/thread?55390 That's true, but Gtk+ 2.10 will also have it.

http://www.gtk.org/plan/2.10/ Fri, 04 Nov 2005 00:55:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread?55461 http://www.osnews.com/thread?55461 But in this case you must declare the controls and the events with your hand in the code. It is not too productive if you want to create a bigger GUI then "Hello world". Fri, 04 Nov 2005 04:24:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread?55498 http://www.osnews.com/thread?55498 The real advantage of using a xml description of the gui is the strict separation between the layout and the logic of the app.

Loading different layouts at runtime is simply a plus.

Give me libglade over generated code with custom comments to mark the "don't touch" areas any time... Fri, 04 Nov 2005 07:06:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread?55755 http://www.osnews.com/thread?55755 why does they need a code generator?
Well I'd guess it has to do with efficiency, not having to re-parse the same XML and create the same GUI at runtime each time the application is run.

Also Qt4 has introduce the way to load the xml file into the application.

No, that's not correct. This was already possible in Qt3. It's even possible it was included in Qt2, I don't remember. Search for dynamic dialogs in the documentation.

The code look something like this:
QDialog *dialog = (QDialog *) QWidgetFactory::create("dialog.ui"); Fri, 04 Nov 2005 18:49:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Morty) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread?55999 http://www.osnews.com/thread?55999 Strange he uses a blog as the homepage for his software. But it looks nice, too bad it can't be used with anything but C++ I guess. Fri, 04 Nov 2005 23:44:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (doug) Comments