http://www.osnews.com/story/13202/Ten_Things_You_Should_Know_About_Every_Linux_Installation Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2013, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Sun, 19 May 2013 02:08:14 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif http://www.osnews.com http://www.osnews.com/thread?82618 http://www.osnews.com/thread?82618 I'm sorry, but this is just a terrible article.

The screenshot of the file structure similarities with red lines is a poor starting point showing little insight.

The line "It is less than half the age of Microsoft Windows" is incorrect.

The assumption that "Linux" is more than the kernel and is in fact, to quote "and graphically equal (if not superior) to this costly, buggy OS from Redmond."

I won't go any further, except to say, please vet such articles a little bit more closely before considering them newsworthy.Edited 2006-01-06 23:14 Fri, 06 Jan 2006 23:14:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (bb_matt) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread?82622 http://www.osnews.com/thread?82622 "Linux has come a long way in the few short years of its existence. It is less than half the age of Microsoft Windows"
This is somewhat close for Linux alone, if you consider Windows 1.0 to be in any way the same as Windows XP (but I'd argue that in that respect Unix is a natural precursor to Linux and should be called the same thing, especially since Unix software usually runs on Linux ). However, if you consider the rest of your software:
KDE is half the age of Windows, I believe it was first released in 1996 or so? Gnome was started around 1997 IIRC.
The GNU project started around the same time as Windows, depending on what you consider its start (release of Emacs, when RMS announced it, when the AI lab became desolate; I'd go for the second option).

So, he's really pretty crazily wrong about that statement. Besides, modern Windows started in 1988 when NT was started.


The article is generally awfully short. I do like his diagram about the filesystems. That's nice. His section on permissions is unwarranted and useless. His section on CLI is too short to do more than confuse.

I did get one thing out of it. I never knew xkill could be activated with ctl+alt+escape! Fri, 06 Jan 2006 23:28:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (ma_d) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread?82624 http://www.osnews.com/thread?82624 This is indeed not the best article ever written, but hey, not everything can be top notch. Fri, 06 Jan 2006 23:31:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Thom_Holwerda) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread?82628 http://www.osnews.com/thread?82628 "I did get one thing out of it. I never knew xkill could be activated with ctl+alt+escape!"

Neither did I... but it's not working for me. I'm using xfce on top of Ubuntu 5.10-- maybe xfce doesn't support it an gnome & kde do. Fri, 06 Jan 2006 23:35:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (fizzled) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread?82630 http://www.osnews.com/thread?82630 Not everything can be top notch, but at least make it accurate. I'm still wondering why the home partition is pointing to the D: drive in that first image... Fri, 06 Jan 2006 23:36:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Resolution) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread?82631 http://www.osnews.com/thread?82631 The age argument is a little bit simplistic, but I think its important to consider what the author was going for. The fact that Linux started in 1991 and NT in 1988 doesn't really mean much. How much code is left in modern Linux or modern Windows from those early versions? How much code and design work was carried over into NT from previoius versions?

The more salient thing to look at is not years, but man-years. How many man years of effort have gone into Windows XP, including the amount reused from pre-NT versions of Windows? How many have gone into Linux + KDE/GNOME, including the amount reused from previous UNIXes, and things like X Windows? Fri, 06 Jan 2006 23:38:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (rayiner) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread?82637 http://www.osnews.com/thread?82637 Without nitpicking I thought it was pretty good and might be quite useful for someone just parachuting into Linuxland or raised in a Windows only convent without internet access.

Thought the illustration proved the point rather well too on the difference between the two hierarchies given the above audience.

Just how old are they? I started programming for Windows version 1.0 in 1984, Linux 1.0 was released in 1994. Given you're not talking about starting when they were just a gleam in Linus'/Bill's eye and allow for gestation to full release that would make Win 22 and Linux 12, depending on the month he wrote the article that may just be an incredibly accurate statement.

How much insight his audience could digest at once would be something I'd leave for the author to decide.

Keep 'em coming Thom. Fri, 06 Jan 2006 23:55:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Sphinx) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread?82643 http://www.osnews.com/thread?82643 Reading Unix for Dummies. It's a really good introduction to the *Nix world for beginners. Sat, 07 Jan 2006 00:09:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (microshag) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread?82647 http://www.osnews.com/thread?82647 "I did get one thing out of it. I never knew xkill could be activated with ctl+alt+escape!"

Neither did I... but it's not working for me. I'm using xfce on top of Ubuntu 5.10-- maybe xfce doesn't support it an gnome & kde do.

Same here in GNOME on my old Mandrake 10.1 system Sat, 07 Jan 2006 00:35:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (chemical_scum) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread?82650 http://www.osnews.com/thread?82650 He's description of the file system hierachy is all wrong.

I believe the many errors in the article would make the *nix experience more confusing for newbie, rather than less confusing. Sat, 07 Jan 2006 00:41:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (dylansmrjones) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread?82668 http://www.osnews.com/thread?82668 Please, you're in X, map any key to any event or any command your heart so desires. The commands may vary a bit from wm to wm but it's built right into every one of them.

I would hate to have someone think Ubuntu desktop may not be as polished as it's hype suggests. Sat, 07 Jan 2006 01:27:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Sphinx) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread?82669 http://www.osnews.com/thread?82669 What part of his file system description did you see as wrong? Linux, windows or both? Sat, 07 Jan 2006 01:30:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Sphinx) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread?82671 http://www.osnews.com/thread?82671 I learnt some neat stuff from the article.Was ok.

The X Kill thing. I first saw it in Mandrake 8.X or 9.X as a menu option.Never knew there was a keystroke combination. Sat, 07 Jan 2006 01:36:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Bajan) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread?82683 http://www.osnews.com/thread?82683 "Please, you're in X, map any key to any event or any command your heart so desires. The commands may vary a bit from wm to wm but it's built right into every one of them.

I would hate to have someone think Ubuntu desktop may not be as polished as it's hype suggests."

I know that I can map the key combination. The impression from the article is that ctrl-alt-esc is a standard keymapping across all different distributions. I'm using a less common window manager, so I'll accept the possiblity that it's not configured as most. This doesn't seem to be the case; it's a specific configuration in whatever distro the author is using and not every installation (as the article suggested.) Sat, 07 Jan 2006 02:16:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (fizzled) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread?82690 http://www.osnews.com/thread?82690 Maybe it's because D: is used by most power window users as a home directory and for non os apps so you can blow away the os on C:, format and re-intall the entire os without endangering everything important to you. Quite useful in the 3.0->3.1->WFW->ME->98->2k->2kpro->XP sleigh ride. Sat, 07 Jan 2006 02:37:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Sphinx) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread?82704 http://www.osnews.com/thread?82704 I think many people misunderstand that image. On the left is a Linux filesystem tree and on the right a Windows one. The red lines indicate where on Linux (not Windows) that a particular directory might be mounted in relation to where the drive letters in Windows are. The lines should have arrow heads on the right side.

It is very common for Linux users to create a seperate partition for the home directory so that they can blow away the rest of the OS and still keep all their files safe.

In windows there is no true indication from that tree that D: is /dev/hdb or /dev/hda2 or something else. Sat, 07 Jan 2006 03:22:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Richard James) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread?82734 http://www.osnews.com/thread?82734 Dude go to the well, "The UNIX Programming Environment", by Brian W. Kernighan and Robert Pike.

Note from the publisher:
Designed for first-time and experienced users, this book describes the UNIX programming environment and philosophy in detail. Readers will gain an understanding not only of how to use the system, its components, and the programs, but also how these fit into the total environment.

One of the greatest reads of all time. Sat, 07 Jan 2006 06:00:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Sphinx) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread?82737 http://www.osnews.com/thread?82737 Just bind it to the program `xkill`. I'm using KDE and it probably has it bound by default. Sat, 07 Jan 2006 06:36:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (ma_d) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread?82738 http://www.osnews.com/thread?82738 I know what you're saying and I hate to contradict you but. I really think more time has gone into a comparable Linux system as Windows. Let's just say:
Linux, binutils, emacs, kde, gcc, xorg.
Compared to.
Windows XP, Visual Studio.

I think more time has gone into linux and kde than Windows XP...

The reason I say this is two fold:
1.) There are faaar more features in linux+kde+xorg than in Windows XP
2.) The bazaar development method is not a monicker of efficiency. You've got thousands of people making small modifications. To do that you have to waste time getting to know the project. In a more cathedral environment you only get used to the code once.

Of course, 2 has its own advantages that come with that. For one, more people complaining about things that are hard to understand is going to get them changed; which will aid later maintainability.
And another, I think people program a little differently when they think someone smarter than a manager is reading their code. It's pride.

Also, I really think the Windows UI was rushed and has been left largely unfixed because it's probably a nightmare. Now, by UI, I don't mean GDI, I don't mean Windows Forms. I mean explorer. I mean the single program that manages your whole desktop and hasn't had a new feature since its inception. Sat, 07 Jan 2006 06:42:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (ma_d) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread?82740 http://www.osnews.com/thread?82740 Fair enough, but misconceptions about what OsNews may publish can be difficult. To date, you've really kept the quality of your articles high and chosen to link to high quality articles.

I can understand a motive behind linking to such a simplistic article and I'm sure the author is probably a bit miffed about any comments made, but hey, that's what writing for the public is all about. Your going to get critisised and hopefully, it'll make you a better writer (and researcher)

I can understand the motive behind the article and it's a noble idea, however, a little more work (especially on the 70k jpeg? diagram) would not have gone amiss.

There's a wealth of information to draw from in researching this topic, which is essentially "linux for windows users", the first port of call should've been what Linux really is. A single paragraph mentioning Torvalds, that Linux is the Kernel and a brief mention of GNU, would've gone a long way to making the article more factually correct.

Also, getting the file system concepts correct - for starters, ditch the whole idea of having a D: partition for home, as it's way off the mark.

/home is /Documents and Settings and is by default located on the partition which windows is installed on.

It's misleading and assumes that everyone partitions their drives in windows, which is clearly not the case.

Many pre-installed windows PC's now ship with an additional partition, which is usually used to store the windows install files.

Some less savvy windows users may be wondering why their CDROM drive is "home"

Worse still, the E drive in that diagram points to "Music"

The author needs to step back, take a look and think "Hmm, wait a minute, that's how I do things, what is the default ?" Sat, 07 Jan 2006 08:21:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (bb_matt) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread?82747 http://www.osnews.com/thread?82747 >>
"I did get one thing out of it. I never knew xkill could be activated with ctl+alt+escape!"

Neither did I... but it's not working for me. I'm using xfce on top of Ubuntu 5.10-- maybe xfce doesn't support it an gnome & kde do.

Same here in GNOME on my old Mandrake 10.1 system
>>

I believe it's a kde only feature.. Sat, 07 Jan 2006 09:27:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Chris) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread?82752 http://www.osnews.com/thread?82752 It is not a very good article, and the diagram is particularly misleading. But why don't we have a small friendly competition, and write an alternative one that's better? There is certainly a need for it. Sat, 07 Jan 2006 09:54:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (alcibiades) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread?82755 http://www.osnews.com/thread?82755 I think this was a pretty nice article actually. Quite similar to the 10 minute or so introduction I give people that are new to Linux. Sat, 07 Jan 2006 10:27:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (korpenkraxar) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread?82766 http://www.osnews.com/thread?82766 Well, he got them sort of right, but the comparison between them is wrong.

Settings / equal to C: is wrong for an instance.

/ is more equal to 'My Computer' than to C:

Another thing is that Windows doesn't have a really equivalent to / Sat, 07 Jan 2006 15:37:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (dylansmrjones) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread?82768 http://www.osnews.com/thread?82768 Yeah, I do the same thing with my work (XP) computer. Much safer to keep critical things away from the OS itself. Sat, 07 Jan 2006 15:40:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Tuishimi) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread?82771 http://www.osnews.com/thread?82771 True, true, but I really do have to give the guy props just for trying to correlate the two, not that easy a call to make. Sat, 07 Jan 2006 15:48:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Sphinx) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread?82799 http://www.osnews.com/thread?82799 There are thousands of these around. I've even written one... Sat, 07 Jan 2006 17:32:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (ma_d) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread?82815 http://www.osnews.com/thread?82815 Osnews should run a contest to see who can write the best Linux introduction article

what do you think? Sat, 07 Jan 2006 18:30:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (monkeymartin) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread?82858 http://www.osnews.com/thread?82858 Agreed.

Although, it should be Xandros or Linspire that they base the article on.

Then there should be articles for intermediate users for Mandriva/Suse/Debian/Fedora/Ubuntu Sat, 07 Jan 2006 20:02:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (raver31) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread?82896 http://www.osnews.com/thread?82896 The author also mentions that you can hit escape to abort xkill. That means that whatever desktop he's using (the screenshots suggest KDE) interacts with xkill beyond regular keybindings. By simply binding it to a key in another WM you *have* to kill a program once you've activated xkill. Sat, 07 Jan 2006 21:27:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (bogomipz) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread?83013 http://www.osnews.com/thread?83013 Figure A is hilarious Sun, 08 Jan 2006 03:03:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (gizzlon) Comments