http://www.osnews.com/story/14329/OpenSUSE_Linux_10_1_RC1_Released Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2009, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:34:51 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif http://www.osnews.com http://osnews.com/thread?114498 http://osnews.com/thread?114498 As per previous OpenSUSE 10.1 announcementS

ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/install/10.1/SUSE-Linux10.1-RC1-Extra/...

:) Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:49:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Organic_Info) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?114503 http://osnews.com/thread?114503 Since Holwerda is trying too hard to troll every linux post or just too damn lazy to read the documentation for the release notes I'll post them for you here. Perhaps he should just stick to being a mac fanboi...

http://ftp.heanet.ie/mirrors/ftp.opensuse.org/opensuse/distribution... Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:59:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (cenuij) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?114508 http://osnews.com/thread?114508 I'd mod you up to +20 if I could....... Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:03:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (OMRebel) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?114511 http://osnews.com/thread?114511 i agree - why he hell is he allowed to post flames against the suse developers everytime they make a release. Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:11:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (olicat) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?114517 http://osnews.com/thread?114517 Because if it's not a Mac, then he thinks it's total crap. He despises Linux for everything it's worth, particularly SUSE. Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:17:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (OMRebel) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?114518 http://osnews.com/thread?114518 Personal attacks, like the "fanboi" remark, shouldn't be modded up. 'Organic_Info' showed very nicely how it should be done. Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:18:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Tyr.) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?114519 http://osnews.com/thread?114519 this is the changelog to the extra repo Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:19:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (yanik) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?114520 http://osnews.com/thread?114520 Couldn't agree more. If I had points I'd mod you up. Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:22:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (TaterSalad) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?114527 http://osnews.com/thread?114527 You do with your points what you want, we'll do what we want with ours. Come on, this article will be buried in a day or two. Why shouldn't we ask why the main poster didn't bother to check if there was release notes for this release before attacking OSuse for not having them. Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:34:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (lostnerd) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?114531 http://osnews.com/thread?114531 You do with your points what you want, we'll do what we want with ours. Come on, this article will be buried in a day or two. Why shouldn't we ask why the main poster didn't bother to check if there was release notes for this release before attacking OSuse for not having them.

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( http://www.osnews.com/rules.php ) Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:40:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Tyr.) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?114533 http://osnews.com/thread?114533 I must agree with you. I guess Holwerda has a template for SuSe Releases. Let's see:

Beta 4:
http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=13720
Beta 5:
http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=13790
Beta 8:
http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=14003
Beta 9:
http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=14185

and RC1 now.. Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:46:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Drune) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?114536 http://osnews.com/thread?114536 I don't see any personal attacks to anyone. A little whining, some more than others , some obversation and some good questions. The only attack I see is the one done by the author of the post. Why shouldn't we ask?

One other thing. What the heck is "biting sarcasm"? Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:57:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (lostnerd) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?114542 http://osnews.com/thread?114542 Curiously, the FreeBSD 6.1 release announcement is almost identical in format to the SuSE release announcement...

Yet no complaints about the lack of release notes or change notes. Granted, the FreeBSD release has more information about what's changed, but it's essentially "More, better, faster".

Disclaimer: I've been using FreeBSD since 2.0.x, and SuSE since 7.x. Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:08:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (grat) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?114545 http://osnews.com/thread?114545 As per previous OpenSUSE 10.1 announcementS

The changelog linked to in the first post is ONLY FOR THE EXTRAS REPO. I already said that to you last time, but apparantly you did not listen.

Since Holwerda is trying too hard to troll every linux post or just too damn lazy to read the documentation for the release notes I'll post them for you here. Perhaps he should just stick to being a mac fanboi...

Ah, so I should dig deep into some ftp site to find some release notes? Why don't the OpenSUSE guys just make a nice link to it like every other project does?

And no, I'm not a Mac fanboy. Those sorts of remarks are not tolerated here, ok? And no, this is not attacking anyone. I'm just pointing out a shortcoming on SUSE's end. Get over it.

I must agree with you. I guess Holwerda has a template for SuSe Releases. Let's see:

I'm not telepathic. I can't make a better announcement because the SUSE guys don't provide normal access to changelog information. That is NOT my problem, it's SUSE's problem, as THEY need to market their product, NOT me.

Complain at THEIR end for the lack of proper release announcements. Don't blame someone (me) who can do @#@% all about it. Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:17:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Thom_Holwerda) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?114547 http://osnews.com/thread?114547 I can honestly say that I have never tried Freebsd, not that I haven't really thought about it. Haven't really had the spare hardware to test it. Yes I know I can multi-boot but I tend to try to make my home system as stable as possible. Are you using FreeBSD as just a server, as your desktop or both? As far as Suse goes I'm been a user since 7.2 myself. I admit I have flirted with a few distros (Mandrake, Debian, Kubuntu and Red Hat / Fedora)I always come back to Suse. I was pretty infatuated with Debian's apt package management system, I can't help but love Yast. At this point professionally all my servers here are OSuse now and I love it. My Desktop at home is it too. I am so looking for the final version of 10.1. I think I am going to backup my home directory and wipe everything clean with a fresh install. Which means no more Windows. Sucks that I have a few games I can't play or don't have time to make them work with Windows. Oh well, probably going to..... Ok starting to wander off the subject. Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:31:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (lostnerd) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?114557 http://osnews.com/thread?114557 .. be the distro that brings Linux to the desktop? Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:42:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (mOOzilla) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?114558 http://osnews.com/thread?114558 So a new Linux distro RC announcement turned into a flame war...you people honestly have too much time on your hands. Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:42:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (suryad) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?114563 http://osnews.com/thread?114563 > The changelog linked to in the first post is ONLY FOR THE EXTRAS REPO.

Read pub/opensuse/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source/ChangeLog or http://en.opensuse.org/Factory-News or http://en.opensuse.org/Product_Highlights or simply shut up.

> Why don't the OpenSUSE guys just make a nice link to it like every other project does?

Maybe on the day when you stop calling the distribution wrongly OpenSUSE and start to use its correct name SUSE Linux?

> Don't blame someone (me) who can do

You're to be blamed for adding your drivel to the submissions of submitters who are then blamed for it. Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:47:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (twener) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?114567 http://osnews.com/thread?114567 Well, seems that "full" Changelog exists in first CD of OpenSuSe and here:
ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-so... Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:50:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Drune) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?114569 http://osnews.com/thread?114569 I wouldn't say it was a flame war, I have seen much worse on this site. But your probably right about having way too much time on our hands. Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:50:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (lostnerd) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?114596 http://osnews.com/thread?114596 Tried RC1,and the lack of sound,MP3,and graphics card support made me switch over to Mepis.However,stick with SuSE if you want to easily install programs. Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:21:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Omega Penguin) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?114598 http://osnews.com/thread?114598 "Maybe on the day when you stop calling the distribution wrongly OpenSUSE and start to use its correct name SUSE Linux? "

Oddly enough, the two links you gave go to opensuse.org. Ever think about a new domain? That might help.... Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:29:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (ormandj) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?114603 http://osnews.com/thread?114603 I'm burning RC1 as I type, but I am running beta9. Did you install any of the packages from the addon CD? That was when I got mp3 support. As for the sound and graphics card issues, did you file a bug report? That's what we're supposed to do during the testing phase, so that the final version works as it should.

I'll stick with SUSE, not because I want to easily install programs (though that is a plus), but because I want to use a great all around OS. Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:47:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (john) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?114608 http://osnews.com/thread?114608 Oddly enough, the two links you gave go to opensuse.org. Ever think about a new domain? That might help....

Opensuse is the project. SUSE is the name of the distribution. It is clearly stated on the front page of the site.

Quote:

The openSUSE project is a worldwide community program sponsored by Novell that promotes the use of Linux everywhere. The program provides anyone with free and easy access to the world's most usable Linux distribution, SUSE Linux. Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:52:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (john) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?114611 http://osnews.com/thread?114611 Nice quote and all, and I'm glad it's on the site. However, being "the world's most usable Linux distribution" you would think that you'd understand this complex naming scheme you've devised, with a OpenSUSE project, SUSE distribution - might confuse some people. I didn't say it's bad (I'm an opensolaris guy myself...), I simply said it's understandable somebody *might* confuse it. Thu, 13 Apr 2006 23:04:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (ormandj) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?114612 http://osnews.com/thread?114612 and you jump in, flamethrower a blazin' and no flame proof suit. you must not have much time on your hands Thu, 13 Apr 2006 23:05:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (spikeb) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?114621 http://osnews.com/thread?114621 OpenSUSE or SUSE, irrelevant. Doesn't solve the changelog problems.Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows CE; PPC; 240x320) Thu, 13 Apr 2006 23:31:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Thom_Holwerda) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?114629 http://osnews.com/thread?114629 How many people will moan about mp3 support and dvd support AGAIN?

Oops, one already :-) Thu, 13 Apr 2006 23:54:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (SlackerJack) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?114701 http://osnews.com/thread?114701 > OpenSUSE or SUSE, irrelevant.

OSnews spreading wrong news is relevant.

> Doesn't solve the changelog problems.

There is no changelog problem, the full changelog is available prior to CD download. Fri, 14 Apr 2006 04:48:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (twener) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?114723 http://osnews.com/thread?114723 I agree OpenSUSE should be making a better effort to market themselves. Fri, 14 Apr 2006 06:39:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Dirge) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?114735 http://osnews.com/thread?114735 !!!

Godness me...

After reading all the posts of this thread I have come to the conclusion that it is worthy to put a Link here that may be of some utility to everyone (me included):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stupidity

Now I'll go to read another thread...

!!! Fri, 14 Apr 2006 09:27:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Angel--Fr@gzill@) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?114764 http://osnews.com/thread?114764 > How many people will moan about mp3 support and dvd support AGAIN?

MP3/DVD-playing support is no issue really - many other 100% free distros (Fedora being an obvious one) don't include MP3 or DVD playback support as standard, but it's usually fairly straightforward to download non-free bits and enable them.

The bigger "DVD" issue for this SuSE release is the lack of a DVD ISO image of the distro itself! Yep, there's now 6 CD ISOs totalling almost 4GB, which would fit perfectly onto a single-layer DVD. Considering its "cousin" Fedora Core quite happily releases test versions on both CD and DVD, the SuSE project has absolutely zero excuse not to release a DVD ISO for test and final releases.

Yes, I've been downloading the delta ISOs (note that the 6th CD of non-OSS stuff doesn't have a delta ISO for this RC1, which is an oversight by the SuSE team!), but it's still a royal pain to have to burn 6 CDs (I've scripted stuff to apply the deltas automatically, cos that's a pain to do as well) when a single DVD ISO image would make many people's lives a lot easier. And, yes, there might be some "make a DVD from 6 CD ISOs" script out there, but SuSE themselves should bleeding well run it and make the ISO available for download (maybe as a torrent only?). Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:06:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (rklrkl) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?114766 http://osnews.com/thread?114766 The script you're wondering about, and instructions for using it, can be found here:
http://en.opensuse.org/Making_a_DVD_from_CDs

Also, Suse has released DVD images for every final release I can remember. They call it an "Eval" DVD, but it's got exactly the same software on it as the CD version. Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:22:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Moochman) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?114771 http://osnews.com/thread?114771 Also, even though there's no openSUSE (open-source only) DVD iso on their servers, I found this link at the bottom of the "Making a DVD from CDs" page:

Unofficial OpenSUSE 10.0 32bit DVD (Torrent)
http://nwgat.net/?hash=2dd5d2466c850dbee0feebc6e1f273e44e395c46 Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:28:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Moochman) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?114788 http://osnews.com/thread?114788 Agree with you there are change logs, and also the opensuse.org page shows changes, http://en.opensuse.org/Product_Highlights

Not sure why the comment keeps coming up about changed, improved, fixed not available. Is this guy anti-OpenSuSE or something? Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:16:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (horsnell) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?114789 http://osnews.com/thread?114789 Have you not heard of the page

http://en.opensuse.org/Product_Highlights

check it out, as it does show you the changes, improvements and additions, in a nice summary form that you could post along with your openSuse announcements! Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:18:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (horsnell) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?114790 http://osnews.com/thread?114790 > even though there's no openSUSE (open-source only) DVD iso on their servers

There is, make yourself familiar with Jigdo: ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/distribution/SL-10.0-OSS/jigdo/ will give you the offical open-source only DVD. Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:41:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (twener) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?114891 http://osnews.com/thread?114891 Is this guy anti-OpenSuSE or something?

Yes. I'm anti SUSE. And anti Apple. Anti MS. Anti Linux. Anti yT. Anti... Ah forget it. Fri, 14 Apr 2006 19:54:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Thom_Holwerda) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?115025 http://osnews.com/thread?115025 Haha I just came back to this thread and look what I find...lol how is my flamethrower blazing? It is just a comment! You dont see me attacking Linux or Thom or any of the users here do ya? Sat, 15 Apr 2006 03:58:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (suryad) Comments