http://www.osnews.com/story/14654/Review_Apple_MacBook Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2009, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Thu, 09 Jul 2009 20:33:44 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif http://www.osnews.com http://osnews.com/thread?126238 http://osnews.com/thread?126238 I liked how well the Intel graphics card performed, considering that it's integrated. Probably it involved some Intel engineers doing some of the driver writing. Fri, 19 May 2006 20:32:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Eugenia) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?126253 http://osnews.com/thread?126253 The temps still worry me; 80 degrees C is really friggin' hot. Hopefully they get a handle on this in Rev B. Fri, 19 May 2006 20:54:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (polaris20) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?126256 http://osnews.com/thread?126256 I think the two things left unanswered for me by this, I'll just to have to go to an Apple Store and find out at some point:

What is this keyboard really like?

Does the screen make that much difference? I really like how the one on my PowerBook performs with indoor lighting, but it can be rather annoying outdoors. Fri, 19 May 2006 20:59:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (MikeGA) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?126261 http://osnews.com/thread?126261 heck yeah, I can attest that's it's less than very useless outdoor,s on a sunny day. my work's campus has excellent wireless throughout, it'd be nice to take the PB outside sometime and do my work while enjoying some fresh air. helps if you can clearly make out the screen however... Fri, 19 May 2006 21:16:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (macisaac) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?126264 http://osnews.com/thread?126264 What is this keyboard really like?

Normal spacing, flat keys instead of curved.

Does the screen make that much difference? I really like how the one on my PowerBook performs with indoor lighting, but it can be rather annoying outdoors.

It's got a glare on it that from the side view can blind you. Front on it's ok in a non-glare enviroment.

The hard drive, RAM and battery are all removable and upgradable.

Standard laptop ATA drives, people are already digusing how a 7200 RPM will work in there.

I would get more RAM and install it yourself later, three screws in the battery bay is all you need to do.

Video performance isn't really great, but no laptop is going to 3D game well anyway.

Heat is better than the MBP, most likely because of the integrated video.

Optical digital ports is very nice.

Dissection pictures show the thermal paste seems to be more normallly applied than the gobs on the MBP.

Some early reports of "Boot Camp" or Parallels Workstation running XP should be rolling in over at Accelerate Your Mac.com.

Speed benchmarks at Barefeats.com Fri, 19 May 2006 21:18:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (JustAnotherMacUser) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?126267 http://osnews.com/thread?126267 s/useless/useful/

(isn't there some way you can edit your own comments (for typos like this)? how do you do so?) Fri, 19 May 2006 21:24:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (macisaac) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?126277 http://osnews.com/thread?126277 Just don't believe that Intel integrated graphics suck as much as people describe them. "GMA900/950 are slow" is a meme in my opinion. They are not gaming GPUs but they work well enough in most situations. It's not only Macs, I've seen some modern (2 years old) games run on GMA900 and it performed ok. Fri, 19 May 2006 21:38:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (miscz) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?126282 http://osnews.com/thread?126282 MacBooks looks like old cheap ~500$ Inspiron class Dell laptops. What gives? Fri, 19 May 2006 21:54:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (ronaldst) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?126290 http://osnews.com/thread?126290 Look at one in person and you will think completely differently. Fri, 19 May 2006 22:04:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (khirok) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?126300 http://osnews.com/thread?126300 Intel has actually created a pretty good chipset for use doing GUI, MPEG etc.. sure its not great at 60fps 3D Gaming, but its good enough for video/photo editing and providing a very snappy and attractive desktop. Fri, 19 May 2006 22:34:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Milo_Hoffman) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?126305 http://osnews.com/thread?126305 If they gave it some dedicated RAM, I wouldn't have an issue with it being integrated. I don't play games, but c'mon, going from dedicated RAM for the video to shared is a step backwards IMO, regardless of the performance of the chip. Fri, 19 May 2006 22:39:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (D3M0N) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?126308 http://osnews.com/thread?126308 BTW, I want my voting ability back. Fri, 19 May 2006 22:45:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Milo_Hoffman) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?126310 http://osnews.com/thread?126310 I hope its on the list for OSNews v3.

After all we just got threading recently, what more do you want? Fri, 19 May 2006 22:46:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Milo_Hoffman) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?126312 http://osnews.com/thread?126312 D3M0N - Go to an Apple store and actually use one and THEN tell us how bad it is. Actually you'll be telling us how good it is. Forget that it is integrated and sharing ram. If nobody had told you, you never would never realized it.Edited 2006-05-19 22:51 Fri, 19 May 2006 22:50:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Sabon) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?126314 http://osnews.com/thread?126314 I am not saying the performance is bad! All I am saying is the lack of dedicated RAM is a step backwards compared to the older ones with dedicated graphics. Yes, the performance is still MUCH, MUCH, MUCH better, but you have less available system RAM. So would I notice, you bet. I also don't care that its integrated - did you read what I even wrote??? Fri, 19 May 2006 22:54:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (D3M0N) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?126315 http://osnews.com/thread?126315 Or maybe people are just now recognizing it's a computer, not a decorative piece. Maybe Martha Stewart and Thomas Kinkade should start designing their own cases. Fri, 19 May 2006 22:57:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (microshag) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?126325 http://osnews.com/thread?126325 Appearances can be deceiving

I thought the exact same when I saw a picture of the black MacBook but something hit me when I read that review. Compared to the MacBook, the iBook looks clunky. I'm typing this on an iBook right now and even now (this is about 2.5 years old), my iBook still looks miles more elegant than most laptops. Next time I'm near a computer shop, I'll have to have a look at a MacBook in person. Fri, 19 May 2006 23:28:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (dr_gonzo) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?126338 http://osnews.com/thread?126338 "All I am saying is the lack of dedicated RAM is a step backwards compared to the older ones with dedicated graphics."

I meant to say compared to the older ones *with* dedicated RAM.

Too bad we can't seem to edit posts. Sat, 20 May 2006 00:31:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (D3M0N) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?126343 http://osnews.com/thread?126343 This worries me. The heat issue exists now both on MB and MBP.

I've read a bit from various sources and found:

- They are doing the same thermal paste mistake on the MB as on the MBP.
- The service manual indicates the same excessive amount of paste as in the MBP manual.
- MBP and MB are assembled in two different factories. This leads me to believe that Apple are doing something strange and it's not a manufacturer flaw.

Service manual for MB:

http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.php?t=295925

There is a reviewer whose Macbook kernel panics after about 30 minutes of use and will not start again unless cooled on an airconditioner. It gets very hot as well:

http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=2946&review=Ap...

I'm not sure how such engineering issues can get past any quality tests. This is a pretty elementary mistake that any PC assembler should know about.

This has to be some kind of panic solution that has been done in order to keep the fan from running to keep Steve happy, although even this theory is seriously doubtful. Apple would drown in dead Macbooks in a few months if they are to continue this mistake.

Let's hope these Macbooks are just an early production run and that the error has been corrected. Sat, 20 May 2006 01:03:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (henrikmk) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?126383 http://osnews.com/thread?126383 I then ran two instances of this script in order to peg both processor cores. The system would step the speed of the processor up to 1.833GHz until the processor crossed a threshold of approximately 82°C at which point it would step the processor down to 1.667GHz.[/i] Sat, 20 May 2006 05:49:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (netpython) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?126386 http://osnews.com/thread?126386 Yah, that is very hot. My Powerbook typically runs at around 45C in mid afternoon under a workload. Right now, while its around mid 60s in my house, and just browing the internet its only running at 29C! I can't imagine my Powerbook ever getting to 80/82C. Only 20C away from boiling
It's a Rev. A product though, so hopefully this "problem" may be resolved by "Rev. B". I hope that Apple isn't starting to put shear performance before comfort and 'usability' I guess you could say. I don't think that is the case though, as it does seem there is some type of issue going on with the thermal paste. Sat, 20 May 2006 05:57:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (D3M0N) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?126396 http://osnews.com/thread?126396 You can, for up to a few minutes after posting. Click the 'chain' link next to your comment to single it out, and then click on edit. Sat, 20 May 2006 08:05:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Kroc) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?126407 http://osnews.com/thread?126407 What is wrong with you people that can't figure out how to edit posts? I edit my posts all the time.


See, just did it now.Edited 2006-05-20 11:11 Sat, 20 May 2006 11:11:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (ApproachingZero) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?126417 http://osnews.com/thread?126417 ok thanks, was wondering how to do that. I'd been thinking there would be an "edit" link or something... Sat, 20 May 2006 13:07:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (macisaac) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?126418 http://osnews.com/thread?126418 hrm, nope, unless I'm just not seeing it. tried doing that with the comment I just put in response to yours, no edit to be clicked. Sat, 20 May 2006 13:11:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (macisaac) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?126425 http://osnews.com/thread?126425 I don't think it's a step backwards, it's just a step cheaper. If dedicated ram for the GPU is faster (accessible), ok that would be a reason to have it dedicated.

But if it's only about the amount of RAM available, it is even a step forward! Because if the OS is nice, it can define itself, how much RAM is spent to the graphics card (MacOS X can't). So if you have a 256 MB graphics card, that's a big waste if you don't have graphic intense stuff running..
But, if you have the same memory shared, _and_ the 256 MB are additionally in main memory, you even gain main memory most times.


The cheapy thing lies in that although some memory is used for the GPU, the manufacturer didn't spend more memory to the whole system, as he should. Still, this is not the fault of the memory sharing technique. Sat, 20 May 2006 13:35:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Ford Prefect) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?126451 http://osnews.com/thread?126451 I've read a bit from various sources and found:

- They are doing the same thermal paste mistake on the MB as on the MBP.
- The service manual indicates the same excessive amount of paste as in the MBP manual.

It's been said before, but it really bears repeating that such a basic mistake is completely inexcusable. I don't have a single hour of formal training in computer hardware, but I was still able a proper job of installing a heatsink + CPU the first time. Even if you're almost entirely ignorant of the process, as I was, it's really not that hard - five minutes of Google'ing and 20 minutes of reading should be more than enough.

I find it absolutely mind boggling that a tech writer authoring a service manual could be that clueless - not only that, but it would appear that his/her editor is equally clueless. Sat, 20 May 2006 15:45:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (StephenBeDoper) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?126452 http://osnews.com/thread?126452 ... not only a toy (for my personal uses), I really want a MacBook!

But only Rev. B or maybe C. I can wait this few months, I waited for years for an Intel-"iBook".

And in some months, Linux should perform properbly on this machine. Sat, 20 May 2006 15:48:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (sledgehammer89) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?126483 http://osnews.com/thread?126483 This is a truly terrific laptop and I want to buy one immediately. However, I'm only going to buy if:

EITHER:
a) The dealer, while I am watching, opens the laptop, cleans all the excessive gobs of thermal paste off all three affected chips (processor, graphic chip and northbridge) and then applies a minimal amount of high-quality thermal paste (e.g. ArcticSilver 5) correctly.

OR:
b) The dealer gives me an assurance in writing that I will not void my warranty if I open the laptop, clean the chips and apply the thermal paste correctly myself.

The thermal paste situation is not something minor. These laptops have been assembled incorrectly and they are running 20°C too hot, which will reduce the life of the affected chips and cause slow performance due to throttling, quite apart from being uncomfortable and simply plain bad workmanship.

If I can get a MacBook that is assembled correctly so that it runs at the correct temperature without voiding my warranty I will buy one immediately. If I can't, I won't. I love Apple hardware but my love doesn't go so far that I'm willing to buy defective merchandise.Edited 2006-05-20 18:58 Sat, 20 May 2006 18:50:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Khoji) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?126484 http://osnews.com/thread?126484 Copy DeletedEdited 2006-05-20 18:53 Sat, 20 May 2006 18:51:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Khoji) Comments