Submitted by “1.7 gigabytes in 12 minutes. That’s 1,700MB in under 15 minutes from the Internet to my PC. Glorious, spectacular, almost breathtaking speed, brought to me courtesy of Verizon FiOS. Yes, it’s true, I finally got it installed and it’s good. Devoted readers know the long road I took to get here, but for those new to me or to FiOS, here’s a brief recap.”
I tried to get fiber when they built my house last year, but I had to settle with copper… They focused on other parts of the city. Sad…
Surewest has been offering FTTP in our area for more then 5 years now. We have a 10mbps plan I believe they sell a 20 now also, its fast. The don’t cap uploads either.
Check your contract, there is a 40gb monthly cap, you can raise it to 80 for a nominal fee. Surewest is as good as sex on even the most congested night, they rock. They put the fiber hut for the neighborhood in my front lawn digging a hole that could bury a volkswagen, destroyed my sprinklers, shot a missle under the driveway breaking my sewer line, had to re-pour it and yet I still rate it as one of the better things to ever happen to me. Great support and service that knows what linux is too.
yup, thats what they say i’ve done over 40gb a month outbound and a website i hosted on the connection and download more than 500gb a month usually dont say anything… friend ran a ftp and was maxing out his surewest for 6 months straight they finally said goodbye to him.
Unfortunately services like this will probably take a decade in the UK – we’re still only at the Local Loop Unbundling stage!
When the services do hit, I can guarantee you it won’t be the equivalent of £25 for a 15mb dedicated line!!
If it will take a decade to hit the UK then I can forget about it in Australia in my lifetime. Even if it does get here, I bet it will cost a queen’s ransom.
I’m afraid the same will be true for Denmark, though I have some hope for low prices due to competition from swedish companies.
“Fiber offers speeds that beat cable and make DSL look like dialup.” ha ha… Here in France, everyone that lives in town gets 20Mbit DSL. That’s 1 to 2.5MB/s depending on how far you are from the phone exchange.
I guess he doesn’t share the same notion on what “dialup” is as I do.
Well, i have an ADSL2+ link and it certainly doesn’t feel like dialup. at 16Mbits i can download at 2MB/sec max so… fiber at 15Mb isn’t breathtaking at all.
Untill fiber is widely spread, and with higher speeds, ADSL2+ is still the most cost effective broadband: up to 24MBit on copper lines.
Well, i have an ADSL2+ link and it certainly doesn’t feel like dialup. at 16Mbits i can download at 2MB/sec max so… fiber at 15Mb isn’t breathtaking at all.
Diff between fiber and ADSL2 is upload, author of original article actualy has very slow fiber connection. My fiber link goes (23MB/s in one direction, sync up and down which makes I can transfer 46MB/s max at the same time. Provider simply doesn’t want to give me better link than that, even though I’m still far from the fiber limit), which would take 1min 14sec for the transfer mentioned in article.
Even though, connection like that doesn’t mean it is really so fast. I usually suffer from low server bandwidths, because servers simply can’t provide enough data at the same time as I could download, but I can download more things from more servers which balances things.
What does it mean in practice? I can’t surf faster, I (mostly) can’t download faster (than my friends with fast VDSL), but I can do a lot more things simultaneously than them (and I do have the needs where my link is seeming too small).
yes, those are Mbytes, not MBits
Untill fiber is widely spread, and with higher speeds, ADSL2+ is still the most cost effective broadband: up to 24MBit on copper lines.
Actualy in our country, VDSL is better than ADSL2 (and cheaper). ADSL2 suffers from having very low upload rate. While download rate has increased from ADSL to ADSL2, upload hasn’t. One might say this is no problem, but it is. The fewer the simultaneous connections, the less is need for higher upload, but for example torrent does pose a lot of them and as soon as you get to max number of connection your download rate starts suffering. VDSL on the other hand allows greater upload rates (much greater).
ADSL2 suffers from having very low upload rate.
Well, I get 1Mbit/s upload which is fine for home use. And anyway, regardless of technology, ISPs hate offering large upload speeds because abuse is such a big problem. And I personally prefer unmetered “slow” upload than metered “fast” upload.
Well, I get 1Mbit/s upload which is fine for home use
More than agreed.
ISPs hate offering large upload speeds because abuse is such a big problem.
Not really, this is the least of their problems. Imagine they start giving links like that (I couldn’t get even this one if I wouldn’t have connections at ISP). They simply couldn’t have enough bandwidth to fullfill contract where they promised speeds. Even now, they can’t, and even though ADSL and VDSL are still very limited. It is a simple multiplication, nothing else (ISP_needed_bandwidth=users*speed)
1024 users with 1MBit means 1GBit (they are bound by contract to have this speed), and ISP usualy has a lot more than 1000 users
And I personally prefer unmetered “slow” upload than metered “fast” upload.
🙂 This is where we agree. I’m excepted from any metering. My link is bypassing most of their monitoring systems and is limited on switches directly (pays of to know the admins:).
And VDSL has no metering either. It is just better tech than ADSL2+. I just mentioned because you specified ADSL2+ is the best and cheapest home users can get. Well, it ain’t.
And VDSL has no metering either. It is just better tech than ADSL2+. I just mentioned because you specified ADSL2+ is the best and cheapest home users can get. Well, it ain’t.
*I* didn’t say anything
As far as VDSL is concerned: it’s faster if you’re close to the phone exchange (less than 1km). As you move away from the exchange, the speed drops and eventually equals ADSL 2+.
*I* didn’t say anything
As far as VDSL is concerned: it’s faster if you’re close to the phone exchange (less than 1km). As you move away from the exchange, the speed drops and eventually equals ADSL 2+.
yep, agreed. Although range of VDSL2 is 5km, not 1km (according to test of provider I know). Probably my mistake for forgeting 2 when writing VDSL2. Some of our providers are planing on VDSL2 deployment in later this year, while ADSL2 is not even a month old here.
I wasn’t talking about the range, I was talking about the range where you will achieve a nice speed increase over ADSL 2+…
And that’s much less than 5km.
I wasn’t talking about the range, I was talking about the range where you will achieve a nice speed increase over ADSL 2+…
And that’s much less than 5km.
??? No, 1km is the limit of VDSL (it can work to up to 3 km, but it barely works there), 5km is limit of VDSL2. Yes, we are talking about the same limit, range before speed drop starts. I even confirmed it with my friend who works at provider which is beta testnig VDSL2 (and my friend is one of the people doing the test). And he said their tests (where it works as it should without problems and with speed as declared) go up to 5.2km, where he couldn’t confirm max as for VDSL.
ADSL2+ goes about 6km, although 3rd links graph specifies as speed drop would be the same as VDSL2, which isn’t really true, according to my friend, about 700m of diff where ADSL starts dropping. But ADSL still suffers from low upload here, where VDSL doesn’t
Difference between VDSL and VDSL2 is not speed like it is for ADSL2+ and ADSL. Difference is reliability on larger distance.
just few links for you, which should confirm my claims:
http://www.dslforum.org/aboutdsl/vdsl_tutorial.html
http://gigaom.com/2005/05/19/vdsl2-100-mbps-over-copper-next/
http://www.convergedigest.com/bp-ttp/bp1.asp?ID=187&ctgy=
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Yeah, OK, I’m looking at this graph on your third link:
http://www.convergedigest.com/blueprints/ttp03/images/2005/ti-fig4….
The scale is in kft (kilo feet).The VDSL2 speed joins the ADSL 2+ one at 5.5kft, that’s 1.7km.
At 4kft, that’s 1.2km, VDSL2 offers 25Mbit/s where ADSL 2+ “only” offers 23Mbit/s, we can hardly say that’s much of an increase.
At less than 3kft, that’s 900 meters, VDSL2 offers a nice speed increase over ADSL 2+.
Also, the thickness of the phoneline does have a large influence on the speed, and I’d bet that 26AWG is not the sort of wire phone companies use in high density urban zones…
The scale is in kft (kilo feet).The VDSL2 speed joins the ADSL 2+ one at 5.5kft, that’s 1.7km.
At 4kft, that’s 1.2km…….
yep, exactly. I was saying that all the time, they are equal as one looks at download speed and larger distance.
But now look at the upload side. ADSL2+ starts at 0.0001kft at 1Mbit, while VDSL2 offers much, much more. Even at 10kft VDSL2 still offers much more than that.
Now, why is upload important in this case. Take a look what usual consumer runs. Usually they run e-mail, browser, mule, torrent and god forbid whatever download software at the same time. I think we agree here. /*just nod*/ But this is their problem, I don’t say you do this kind of mistake /*so you can spare your arguments how this is not valid for you*/, I’m talking about usual consumer here. Which goes after your argument that ADSL2+ is the best what one can get for its price. It is not. Well, to be honest. It is the best if VDSL2 is not at your disposal, and ADSL2+ is (being without internet just because there could be a better connection if only your ISP would provide it would be stupid, I agree). But if both are possible than ADSL2+ is clearly worst choice of those two.
More connections at the same time, tho more of your upload bandwidth gets wasted. It is just the same effect as threaded programming (scheduler demands its own time and switching takes its own). /*nod if you agree*/
A connection to run at 25MBit/s demands a lot of upload to be able to run at that speed, almost whole (just made a little test, when one single ftp connection downloads at 4.4MByte/s, 100kbytes/s of upload bandwith is needed to support this). So in case of ADSL2+ one single connection at full speed would waste about cca. 75kbytes/s.
Now a little bit of conspiracy theory here. One single torrent or mule software wastes more than 25kbytes/s if you allow about 20 connections (and god forbid anyone would download from you at the same time). You have to count slack checking, server connections, peer-to-peer connections. A lot of possible bandwidth is wasted here. And at 1MBit/s you have how many kbytes/s on disposal?
If your upload rate is too small, can you still use your download rate? Nope. Bottleneck is in small upload rate, which is one way how ISP can control people won’t use more than they can offer.
Can you with use your download rate with VDSL2? Yep. At least your download rate will degrade from distance only and not with upload rate factor and distance as ADSL2+.
btw. VDSL is more than half cheaper than ADSL (and ADSL2 is much more expensive than ADSL) in our country, and yes my house is in 600m range /*so I can only say I’m a lucky guy, even VDSL2 won’t really mean much to me*/. While in my company I’m connected directly to fiber /*what can I say,…:) I’m a lucky guy*/.
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It is a simple multiplication, nothing else (ISP_needed_bandwidth=users*speed)
1024 users with 1MBit means 1GBit (they are bound by contract to have this speed)
No they aren’t. In fact I’ve never seen a home ISP that doesn’t explicitly state in the fine print that your bandwidth is NOT guaranteed.
Not every user of an ISP will use every bit of their bandwidth, simultaneously. ISPs count on that fact to survive – its the only way they can afford to offer internet access for a reasonable cost.
Colour me a just tad underwhelmed. http://www.bredbandsbolaget.se/portal/PRIVAT_BREDBAND_LAN_BREDBAND~…
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The one good thing about campus housing: fat pipes to the internet. Sites on Internet 2 are particularly fast. I’ve saturated my 100mbps ethernet port downloading HD trailers from Apple.
Of course, with great power comes great responsibility. If you’re like someone I know and show up in the top list of bandwidth users, alongside entire departments in the school, you might get a nasty e-mail from IT
>will probably take a decade in the UK
a decade?..it will probably take a century in Greece..
Here in Uruguay 512 kb/s is a “respectable” speed (for around USD 60/mo), where most companies have a 1mb/s “enterprise” adsl! (for USD 130/mo)
Well … it could be worse!
More or less like here in Brazil.
I mean, it sounds wonderful to me, but Verizons site doesn’t seem to hilite it. Any ideas where I can find out if this stuff is rolled out to me area?
http://www22.verizon.com/fiosforhome/channels/fios/root/order.asp
I have 24mb ADSL2+ from http://www.bethere.co.uk
and i download at 1800k a sec
and i live in UK and they have most exchanges covered and it cost £24 no caps no limits etc.
Snake
>Unfortunately services like this will probably take a
>decade in the UK – we’re still only at the Local Loop
>Unbundling stage!
Not even mentioning Belgium, where there is virtually no competition. One major player for ADSL, the local loop hasn’t even been unbundled. One monopolist for cable, Telenet, who has the exclusive right on the cable in 90% of flanders. Both companies are in some way property of the government and control organs as the Belgian Institute for Post and Telephony are reluctant to do anything. Compared to all our neighbouring countries, we’re still in the middle ages of internet. Where a 10 Mbit line with 10 GiB limits costs about $55 USD a month. Pure ripoff. Especially in areas were no ADSL is unavailable.
ETTH and FTTH are still lightyears away from commercial implementation here. Let’s hope the government or, god forbid, the EU will do something about this in the near future.
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My first reaction was: What’s the news value of this? There’s people with 100Mbps or 10Mbps fiber / ethernet connections everywhere. But I’m a bit blinded with how we have it here in Sweden it seems.
And as for pure downstream speed, you can get 8Mbps or 24Mbps DSL virtually everywhere in this country.
The fastest internet connection in the world is in Korea/Japan. In Japan now 1Gbps connection is being offered. I subscribe to 100Mbps (up=down, so I can use as a server
), and spent about 2Tb/month for around $60 flat charge. Actually that is with IP phone subscription and modem & router rental fee, without those is about $25-$40 (depend on the provider).
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