http://www.osnews.com/story/15076/Gtk_2_10_Released Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2009, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Fri, 27 Nov 2009 14:09:56 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif http://www.osnews.com http://osnews.com/thread?139711 http://osnews.com/thread?139711 More functionality into GTK can only be GOOD! Good for gnome especially. Should assist with consistency so that will certainly be good. Mon, 03 Jul 2006 08:18:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (deanlinkous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?139714 http://osnews.com/thread?139714 The PDF support is certainly very interesting. Yet, having in mind that Adobe just threatened Microsoft to remove their support for PDF, can this represent a problem to the GTK project? Mon, 03 Jul 2006 08:46:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (GreatBunzinni) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?139717 http://osnews.com/thread?139717 I had a look at it, what features from the plan made their way into 2.10? Mon, 03 Jul 2006 09:04:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (kaiwai) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?139722 http://osnews.com/thread?139722 Is it just me or did the release notes forget to mention all the new stuff (printing, treeview DND, etc)? Mon, 03 Jul 2006 09:23:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (nzjrs) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?139725 http://osnews.com/thread?139725 ... and support for tray icons, and widgets from libgnomeui.

It's not full release notes, I think. Mon, 03 Jul 2006 09:42:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (emkaka) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?139727 http://osnews.com/thread?139727 keybindings in xfce 4.4 final release will now allow the windows key (mod4) to be used. this is broken in latest svn branch and marked as wontfix cause it was meant to be fixed/correctly implemented in gtk 2.10. Mon, 03 Jul 2006 09:56:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (siimo) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?139728 http://osnews.com/thread?139728 PDF is an open spec, Apple uses PDF as a basis for Quartz rendering without any complaints from Adobe, and Open Office.org has had export to pdf for a while without any complaints.

The whole Microsoft issue was just an attempt to get some money (even though they really didn't have any justification for their complaint) from someone with a large share of the market. It shouldn't affect GTK in the slightest. Mon, 03 Jul 2006 10:01:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Indech) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?139729 http://osnews.com/thread?139729 Looks like OSnews jumped the gun and did a release announcement while there is no official announcement done yet from the GTK Project.

The above release notes linked seems more like developer scratchpad. Mon, 03 Jul 2006 10:05:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Rahul) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?139731 http://osnews.com/thread?139731 Adobe did not threaten Microsoft to remove their PDF-support. It's merely a newspaper-spin. Mon, 03 Jul 2006 10:08:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (dylansmrjones) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?139733 http://osnews.com/thread?139733 Looks like OSnews jumped the gun and did a release announcement while there is no official announcement done yet from the GTK Project.

Then what is a) the announcement on the front page, and b) that message in my gnome-announce inbox? Mon, 03 Jul 2006 10:18:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Thom_Holwerda) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?139734 http://osnews.com/thread?139734 >> Looks like OSnews jumped the gun ...
have you even had a look at: http://www.gtk.org/

on the front page it says:
03 Jul 2006
GTK+ 2.10.0 is now available. This is a stable release.Edited 2006-07-03 10:19 Mon, 03 Jul 2006 10:18:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (siimo) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?139744 http://osnews.com/thread?139744 Although the release is announced on the front page, the downloads section only lists the source uptil version 2.8

But yeah, it can be download from ftp://ftp.gtk.org/pub/gtk/v2.10/ , but is this really the final release?

How much of the Project Ridley plans which involved integrating several other libraries into GTK+ have been completed?Edited 2006-07-03 11:30 Mon, 03 Jul 2006 11:15:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (chip_0) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?139755 http://osnews.com/thread?139755 http://live.gnome.org/ProjectRidley
shows a lot of exciting progress, look at the 'commited' ones:
GnomeDruid EggAssistant which means you can use some wizard alike directely in gtk;
GnomeHRef EggLinkButton, you can have a link in the button;
GnomePrint & GnomePrintDialog; these are what the OSNEWS said in this news;
...
I must say you should look at it yourself. Mon, 03 Jul 2006 12:30:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (ganloo) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?139756 http://osnews.com/thread?139756 ...when can we expect to grab this with Synaptic? A few days at most? Or is it up to the Xubuntu team to decide? Mon, 03 Jul 2006 12:39:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (1c3d0g) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?139774 http://osnews.com/thread?139774 In SLED 10 with latest pango, glib and cairo, you'll need to recompile librsvg for SVG support. You should recompile any theme engines as well, i.e gtk-engines, candido engine.

If your a SUSE user then it's --prefix=/opt/gnome for them and --prefix=/usr for cairo. Mon, 03 Jul 2006 13:59:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (SlackerJack) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?139776 http://osnews.com/thread?139776 Since it is 2.10 and not 2.9 I think it's stable (except the case when it might be some Release Candidate). Mon, 03 Jul 2006 14:11:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Zlogic) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?139778 http://osnews.com/thread?139778 I just hope it's more backwards compatibility friendly than the upgrade to glib 2.10+ was. When that occured it broke kde's arts and xfce's panel (well the weather plugin in particular, would crash the whole dock). Not a hard fix mind you (add export G_SLICE=always-malloc to the start scripts in both cases), but still annoying for something that's supposed to be backwards ABI/API compatible. Plus, the glib/gtk folk apparently saying it wasn't their problem to fix wasn't all that helpful either... Mon, 03 Jul 2006 14:21:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (macisaac) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?139782 http://osnews.com/thread?139782 Hideous:

http://www.gnome.org/start/2.4/large/hadess.png

It is absolutely inexcusable for Linux to still have such a ugly and garrish UI toolkit in mid-2006 when at the very LEAST they could simply copy:

http://www.apple.com/macosx/overview/ Mon, 03 Jul 2006 14:48:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (MediaSex) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?139794 http://osnews.com/thread?139794 whats so ugly and garish? Are you talking about the theme and icons? Dont you know how to choose a different theme, icon set, and customize your workspace? Some prefer functionality as oppossed to bright and shiny.

How about one of these then:
http://gentoo-wiki.com/Image:Gnome-shoeseal-0.png
http://gentoo-wiki.com/Image:GnomeScreenshot-dust.2.png
http://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_type=1&screen_id=1354349...

Hey dude, I voted for you.... Mon, 03 Jul 2006 15:25:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (deanlinkous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?139795 http://osnews.com/thread?139795 That's gnome 2.4. It was release in 2003, not "mid-2006". Mon, 03 Jul 2006 15:28:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (nxsty) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?139799 http://osnews.com/thread?139799 Duh... me like'um pretty colors. Mon, 03 Jul 2006 15:45:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Sphinx) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?139800 http://osnews.com/thread?139800 Wow, another stupid bitch who still doesn't understand the difference between themes and toolkits.

f--king moron. Mon, 03 Jul 2006 15:51:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (MediaSex) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?139801 http://osnews.com/thread?139801 "Dont you know how to choose a different theme, icon set, and customize your workspace? Some prefer functionality as oppossed to bright and shiny. "

Moron.

Linux UI toolkit technology will continue to remain years behind Apple and Microsoft until idiots like you finally get it through your DIMWITTED LITTLE PEA-BRAINS that 'purty' themes are not a substitute for a modern UI toolkit.

How many years are you clowns in the open source/Linux world going to fail to grasp that simple concept? Mon, 03 Jul 2006 15:56:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (MediaSex) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?139802 http://osnews.com/thread?139802 Your such well thought out highly intelligent comments sure haven't demonstrated any knowledge of the difference between the two. Mon, 03 Jul 2006 16:02:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Sphinx) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?139805 http://osnews.com/thread?139805 Linux UI toolkit technology will continue to remain years behind Apple and Microsoft until idiots like you finally get it through your DIMWITTED LITTLE PEA-BRAINS that 'purty' themes are not a substitute for a modern UI toolkit.

Umm...what do you mean with a modern UI toolkit? And could you clarify how it is "years behind"? Have you ever tried GTK+ programming? It is not only rather simple, it is powerful, too. And as far as I know, neither of the Apple or Microsoft has created cross-platform UI toolkits...Edited 2006-07-03 16:14 Mon, 03 Jul 2006 16:05:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (WereCatf) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?139807 http://osnews.com/thread?139807 And these would be examples of... ? Mon, 03 Jul 2006 16:17:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Trollstoi) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?139812 http://osnews.com/thread?139812 Let's get some stuff straight here...

1. What you see in that screenshot is the toolkit's theme, not "the toolkit". You can make a hideously ugly theme for a perfectly good graphical toolkit - there are ugly, garish color themes for Windows' GUI toolkit, you know, I've seen them. So yes, it is the theme you're raving about, not the toolkit.

2. The screenshot you link to is hideously outdated and uses a nondefault theme. Current default looks like this, admittedly rather bland but easily changeable:

http://frugalware.org/~laci/screenshots/GNOME-default.png

3. You can't judge an operating system by what it looks like. Until recently Solaris looked like crap courtesy of CDE, and OpenVMS still looks like crap. They are of course both extremely well-programmed and reliable operating systems. And Win2k3's Luna interface looks like garbage but guess what's under the hood?

4. The above all point strong toward your not having a clue what you're talking about. If your knowledge doesn't cover something, I strongly suggest that you don't rant about it, because the people who do have some knowledge of it will have your ass.

5. Your username screams "spammer", and your posts are invariably trollish in nature, resorting to insults rather than logical arguments. You don't seem capable of contributing anything useful to any topic.

I think that now might be a very good time for you to shut up and leave... Mon, 03 Jul 2006 16:34:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Gullible Jones) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?139824 http://osnews.com/thread?139824 iirc, directfb support was supposed to make it into 2.10. Has it?

Am I right in thinking that when this happens we should be able to run GNOME without running X11 pretty soon after, maybe under GNOME 2.15?

EDIT: subject is wrong, I of course meant directfbEdited 2006-07-03 17:11 Mon, 03 Jul 2006 17:09:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (danboid) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?139831 http://osnews.com/thread?139831 This is not a very informed comment: Adobe haven't been very vocal about their concerns (especially wrt assuring media coverage), but they were compliance- and not money extortion-related. That is, since Microsoft are going to deliver a PDF competitor, Adobe started worrying (rightily IMHO) about a possible degrade-and-switch strategy (i.e.: "see how crappy are PDF files you can so easily produce with Office? now go try our revolutionary product!"). Unfortunately I don't have the URL to the only press article reporting Adobe's point of view.

rehdon Mon, 03 Jul 2006 17:41:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Rehdon) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?139833 http://osnews.com/thread?139833 Correct link is
http://www.gtk.org/gtk-2.10-announcement.html Mon, 03 Jul 2006 17:48:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (somebody) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?139893 http://osnews.com/thread?139893 Reading the changes and what's new, i wonder if GTK+ is insanely behind? If you see the things coming up in Qt 4.2 - they seem much more innovative.

Does the gnome development framework offer things like that, or do all app dev's have to write them over and over again?

yeah yeah, call it a troll, but I really wonder. Is GTK+ 2.10 years too late? Or does it just seem that way? Mon, 03 Jul 2006 20:28:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (superstoned) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?139907 http://osnews.com/thread?139907 Do you have any examples of this? Gtk is a pretty nice framework, although I've only ever used it through pygtk. Mon, 03 Jul 2006 21:22:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (bytecoder) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?139908 http://osnews.com/thread?139908 Qt is a commercial product with more concentrated development than GTK imho. Mon, 03 Jul 2006 21:27:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Dr-ROX) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?139910 http://osnews.com/thread?139910 I don't think GTK+ is "insanely behind". Sure, it might lack things that Qt does, but they are developed with different goals in mind, and taking into account that Qt is a commercial product while GTK+ is mostly being developed by people in their free time, it is not a wonder that they are not equal in features. I have no experience whatsoever regarding programming with Qt, nor do I know much about the features it includes, but I have been using GTK+ for some small personal projects. I think it has quite a lot of carefully thought-out features, and everything is rather simple to do. And the GTK+ folks are constantly adding new features or improving old ones, so I don't really see it as inferior compared to Qt. Mon, 03 Jul 2006 21:37:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (WereCatf) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?139913 http://osnews.com/thread?139913 well, as i said, its an impression i get after reading a few years about gtk/gnome and qt/kde. i don't code, so i can't judge for myself, if i could, i sure would ;-)

but mostly, i only speak kde/qt minded ppl, so i hear only one side. tough this might turn into a flamewar (sure doesn't seem so, yet), i might learn something... Mon, 03 Jul 2006 21:44:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (superstoned) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?139922 http://osnews.com/thread?139922 Thank you! I mean the guy raves I am talking about icons and themes when I dont know what else a screenshot is suppose to show?

Definately a troll.... not even a good troll. What kind of trolls are we turning out these days that they cant offer some reasonable type of arguement, however made up and poorly supporrted. I blame the troll schools, some blame the troll parents, something is certainly failing the trolls. Mon, 03 Jul 2006 22:07:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (deanlinkous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?139952 http://osnews.com/thread?139952 And do you know what else it offers?
http://developer.gnome.org/doc/API/2.0/gtk/GtkLinkButton.html

Yea, that's right. I've tried to hack in an equivalent using existing widgets but: Buttons don't look right (even when you flatten them, they're too thick) and labels don't let you watch for clicks. So, yay!
Just too bad it's taken so long, we'll all still have to make this sort of thing a compile time option, or runtime if you're using pygtk. Tue, 04 Jul 2006 00:28:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (ma_d) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?139954 http://osnews.com/thread?139954 I think Gtk has a more conservative goal set than QT. But I wouldn't be surprised if they were a little behind.
However, I've always found Gtk to be plenty and I've used winforms with vb back in the day, and swing, and of course a little tk. I like Gtk better.

Sometimes I look at things in Gtk and wish they had a less advanced frontend cause they're complex to get started using: GtkTreeView+GtkTreeStore for example.

But having not developed QT some examples would be helpful. Tue, 04 Jul 2006 00:31:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (ma_d) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?139963 http://osnews.com/thread?139963 Libsexy (http://www.chipx86.com/wiki/Libsexy) has allowed you to do this for a while, amongst other things. Admitadly it's not a well known library, but it's there all the same. Tue, 04 Jul 2006 01:13:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (bovinity) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?139966 http://osnews.com/thread?139966 I've heard of it. I might use it, if it gets included in gtk. I'm very very slow to add dependencies. Tue, 04 Jul 2006 01:18:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (ma_d) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?140100 http://osnews.com/thread?140100 well, as i said, its an impression i get after reading a few years about gtk/gnome and qt/kde. i don't code, so i can't judge for myself, if i could, i sure would ;-)

Well, if you can't point to a single specific fact that backs up your impression, maybe you should just re-evaluate it?Edited 2006-07-04 07:37 Tue, 04 Jul 2006 07:36:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (djst) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?140117 http://osnews.com/thread?140117 based on what information? i've heard many ppl say 'hey, this is sooo easy in Qt' but i've also heard ppl say GTK is hard to use. i've never heard someone who used both GTK and Qt say GTK is easier, faster or more efficient, but i've heard the opposite many times. (check a blog like http://duncan.mac-vicar.com/blog/archives/62 )

as i can't judge for myself, i tend to believe it.

but those ppl may be biassed, so i was/am looking for more opinions... Tue, 04 Jul 2006 09:08:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (superstoned) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?140223 http://osnews.com/thread?140223 pdf is an open standard and Adobe will allow anything with pdf as long as you stick to their standard/license. If you do not stick to it you will bring upon yourself a very angry Adobe.

I think this has happened to Microsoft (they have a habit of NOT sticking to standards). Impelement it but not following the standard. Tue, 04 Jul 2006 16:25:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (infirit) Comments