http://www.osnews.com/story/15146/Using_Microsoft_s_PowerShell_Through_SSH Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2009, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Thu, 09 Jul 2009 20:01:02 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif http://www.osnews.com http://osnews.com/thread?141902 http://osnews.com/thread?141902 I always forgot that windows doesn't come with sshd... Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:35:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Duffman) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?141908 http://osnews.com/thread?141908 Does PowerShell have any native remote capabilities? If I have two computers with PowerShell installed, can I connect them SSH-like with built-in Windows tools?

Tom Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:49:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (el3ktro) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?141916 http://osnews.com/thread?141916 Something like this really shouldn't require Cygwin. I was going to call it a kludge, but it isn't really... you're just (eventually) running PowerShell like you would any normal shell.

NT/2000/XP have come with an unsecured telnetd for years, you'd think "the most secure Windows ever!" would come with sshd.

- chrish Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:56:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (chrish) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?141948 http://osnews.com/thread?141948 I noticed a 3rd party project called "PowerShell Remoting".. Another site ( http://www.redmonk.com/cote/archives/2006/06/teched_2006_pow.html )mentions remote capabilities (similar to what we expect of SSH) to be available in the 1.1 release. I suppose for now the idea is to use RDC and open a terminal?!? Tue, 11 Jul 2006 13:58:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (naelurec) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?141951 http://osnews.com/thread?141951 http://sshwindows.sourceforge.net/ Tue, 11 Jul 2006 14:10:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (chavv) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?141963 http://osnews.com/thread?141963 I understand the Mono team can't use the name "Monad" though it's a natural extension of Mono. Therefore, I prose the GNU/GPL/Mono version of PowerShell be called Gonad and SuperpowerShell respectively. If they've the nuggets, that is. Tue, 11 Jul 2006 14:34:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (SpasmaticSeacow) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?141964 http://osnews.com/thread?141964 SSH does not run under Windows natively. Microsofts tools are substandard, inferior by design and insecure. Nothing will change it, Windows Vista will not change it. PowerShell is nothing more than a BASH ripoff. Before you devote any more time to the sinking ship that is Microsoft, and Microsoft is dying as I know of no real professional developer or IT consultant that uses Windows, why not go free and use SLED and/or buy Mac OS X. Something that is worth the money. Windows isnt even worth whats paid for it. I havce used PowerShell and its nothing more than a joke. Tue, 11 Jul 2006 14:37:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (ChrisA) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?141976 http://osnews.com/thread?141976 PowerShallot. Because it makes you cry to use it. Tue, 11 Jul 2006 15:26:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (smitty_one_each) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?141980 http://osnews.com/thread?141980 As I understand from the various articles about Monad/PowerShell, it appears to be a functional rip-off of the old Amiga CLI. Namely, the object functionality is similar to some of the ARexx functionality (not syntactically, but functionally). Tue, 11 Jul 2006 15:38:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (SpasmaticSeacow) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?141981 http://osnews.com/thread?141981 A lot of the power of the .net framework (and hence Monad/powershell) is that it has inbuilt support for WMI, Remote Management (processes / services / users & groups / disk volumes /tasks etc) ... hence you run a script locally that queries a remote machine - the same you do with vbscript? The WMI etc services on the target computer return the information.

Or have I missed the point? Tue, 11 Jul 2006 15:41:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (JCooper) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?141986 http://osnews.com/thread?141986 I can type upwards to 100 words a minute, anytime I have to move my hands off the home row to the mouse, I am losing productivity.

Yes! This is the right perspective and the right issue. I get so very tired of the assumption that a GUI will somehow make me more productive.

Anytime I have to stream video, I am wasting bandwidth.

Right again. Tue, 11 Jul 2006 16:00:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (KenJackson) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?141989 http://osnews.com/thread?141989 You don't use wmi to list the contents of a folder, for example... Tue, 11 Jul 2006 16:08:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (what) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?142082 http://osnews.com/thread?142082 this really shouldn't require Cygwin.

True. But Cygwin is so good that I consider it essential for any Windows PC I must use. Which makes me wonder, since Cygwin delivers Bash via SSH from a Windows PC--why bother with the PowerShell at all? Tue, 11 Jul 2006 19:41:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (KenJackson) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?142089 http://osnews.com/thread?142089 Remoting is a feature scheduled for a later release of PowerShell (v2, IIRC).

PowerShell is initially being staged across 3 releases, with the first aimed at standardizing the language and providing a stable, secure base supporting common scenarios. Subsequent releases will add other features like remoting and UI integration. There was a document on MSDN that provided some details on this, but I can't find it currently.

Remote execution is currently handled by the cmdlets/scripts (as is done in Exchange 2007 or WMI).

For file access, you can login to the remote machine using "net use" or similar (if you don't already have access), then "cd" to the remote share (e.g., "cd \\computername\sharename"). Powershell isn't needed on the remote machine for these scenarios.

For scenarios such as executing a remote PowerShell instance, you'll need to use TS/RDP or similar for now.Edited 2006-07-11 19:56 Tue, 11 Jul 2006 19:54:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (n4cer) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?142090 http://osnews.com/thread?142090 Now that was funny. Tue, 11 Jul 2006 19:56:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Sphinx) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?142092 http://osnews.com/thread?142092 Actually wouldn't the correct spelling be, "gnad". Tue, 11 Jul 2006 19:58:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Sphinx) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?142094 http://osnews.com/thread?142094 Nice to hear the voice of sanity every once in a while, thanks. Tue, 11 Jul 2006 20:00:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Sphinx) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?142100 http://osnews.com/thread?142100 After reading this, I was set for a good rant on the lack of MS platform remote administrative capabilities - or lack thereof.

However, ChrisA beat me to it...well said.

Windows, as a server or desktop, is the most incompetent sea of code ever written. Tue, 11 Jul 2006 20:11:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (celt) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?142109 http://osnews.com/thread?142109 ... why bother with the PowerShell at all?

Monad is an object-oriented shell. It will do things that BASH won't. Of course you may wish it didn't do some of those things, but it's still a work in progress. (o; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 20:37:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (glarepate) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?142183 http://osnews.com/thread?142183 PowerShell might eventually become a useful tool for Windows administration, but it's by no mean revolutionary. For example, I've really enjoyed playing around with IPython and its pysh profile. It's essentially an interactive shell that lets you mix Python code and your default shell commands together. It makes interactively creating, saving, editing and running python scripts so seamless that I find myself amassing quite a collection of little timesavers. It's very much a work in progress, but then again so is PowerShell, and it seems like IPython is way more useful at the moment.

Yes, it runs on Windows and Mac OSX, too. Wed, 12 Jul 2006 04:36:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (butters) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?142205 http://osnews.com/thread?142205 Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.

-- Henry Spencer Usenet signature, November 1987 Wed, 12 Jul 2006 07:00:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (bailey86) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?142228 http://osnews.com/thread?142228 ha...I have to steal that one. Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:35:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (celt) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?142298 http://osnews.com/thread?142298 Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.

Those that do not undestand Monad (PowerShell) think it's like Unix shells.

Monad works with objects. BIG difference and much better approach, IMHO. Wed, 12 Jul 2006 17:33:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (gonzo) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?142420 http://osnews.com/thread?142420 Those that do not undestand Monad (PowerShell) think it's like Unix shells.

The OP didn't say it was "like Unix shells." He implied it was like a poorly implemented UNIX shell.

Monad works with objects. BIG difference...

Again, the OP appears to have accounted for this with the use of the qualifying word "poorly". Wed, 12 Jul 2006 21:45:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (gg3po) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?142471 http://osnews.com/thread?142471 Obviously, both of you do not understand that Monad is not like Unix shell at all. Thus, it can not be "like poorly (or 'like well') implemented Unix shell."

Another thing is, what is so poor about Monad?

I've been using it for almost six months now and it simply rocks. Maybe you should give it a try.. Thu, 13 Jul 2006 02:47:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (gonzo) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?143363 http://osnews.com/thread?143363 I would give it a go, but it seems to be designed only to run under very specific ---some might say limited--- environments. Sat, 15 Jul 2006 23:39:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (troc) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?143570 http://osnews.com/thread?143570 Usually, people that say that ("..limited environments..") -- it is the same people that think Monad is "poorly implemented Unix shell".

:)

OK, I suppose you use Unices and I don't see that you'll miss PowerShell (Monad) there simply because Unix has its ways of doing things in shell (text goes through pipes) and everything is done that way already while Monad does it differently (objects go through pipes).

On Windows, it will make a huge difference especially because Microsoft is (slowly) going to support PowerShell with all its producs (for example, Exchange beta now fully supports Monad. You can do anything from Monad. Actually, Exchange GUI, IIRC, uses Monad to perform all tasks).

One last thing, if on my Windows I can run both bash (via Services for Unix, Cygwin, etc) and Monad, while one can not run both on, for example Linux, then I really have to ask --- which environment is more limited? Sun, 16 Jul 2006 17:26:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (gonzo) Comments