http://www.osnews.com/story/15724/SkyOS_Beta_Build_6179_Released Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2009, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Tue, 07 Jul 2009 01:15:57 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif http://www.osnews.com http://osnews.com/thread?158834 http://osnews.com/thread?158834 Will SkyOS ever be released?
I didn't see any esimated release date, and there has been news about the OS for years.. Mon, 04 Sep 2006 15:51:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (audun) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?158835 http://osnews.com/thread?158835 Just a side note about Quake III...

It is not included in the build yet but will be released in the softwarestore. One reason is that the full game cannot be distributed, only the binary without the gamedata.

Even though SkyOS lacks 3D drivers, Robert said it was playable on an AMD 3400+ at 320x240 resolution Mon, 04 Sep 2006 15:57:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Darkness) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?158839 http://osnews.com/thread?158839 Will SkyOS ever be released?
If you go to...
http://www.skyos.org/?q=node/408

When will SkyOS 5.0 final be released?
There is not a set date yet. We are currently aiming to release SkyOS 5.0 sometime between Q3 and Q4 of 2006, though this is not set in stone. Mon, 04 Sep 2006 16:14:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Gryzor) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?158840 http://osnews.com/thread?158840 I think that text was written quite some time ago. I doubt it will be released in 2006 Mon, 04 Sep 2006 16:16:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Darkness) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?158841 http://osnews.com/thread?158841 I'm really starting to doubt if this project will end up being succesful. If a developer starts working on OpenGL support and things like that, without the essential things like USB-support and stuff like that being implementend, I really think that they are missing the point of developping an OS people need to pay for. I paid 26 euro's once in the hope of having a lightweigth OS for my antique laptop. I hope everyone agrees with me that USB is more important than QuakeIII @ 320x240...

So Robert, please focus on USB, printing, scanning, and other things people will expect to work out-of-the-box. I'm starting to lose my faith in you Mon, 04 Sep 2006 16:18:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (tdehoog) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?158849 http://osnews.com/thread?158849 Agreed that there's a whole bunch of important stuff here, USB being definitely one of them.

However, judging from SkyOS extreme development pace (because in my pov it is improving at an amazing rate) I think things are being done in parallell.

I'm not even sure what SkyOS aim is at the moment, making it even harder to have any idea what is most important at the moment.

However, being a bit supportive (not a user of SkyOS), if OpenGL works right and he can use it to make the desktops graphics blazingly fast, am I wrong to assume that will draw a lot of attention? A lot more than say USB support? I'd assume that's the plan here and then take one step at the time.

At last, knowing that SkyOS and Haiku has shared stuff before (FS comes to mind), would it be stupid to believe that part of these items might be shared again, such as Printing or USB? Mon, 04 Sep 2006 16:46:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Haicube) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?158852 http://osnews.com/thread?158852 also, it's roberts OS. H ecan work on the parts he wants when he wants Have patience, he will eventually get it all. Mon, 04 Sep 2006 16:55:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (helf) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?158853 http://osnews.com/thread?158853 The problem with the idea that it's only Robert's OS is that if he doesn't focus on users bugs, bugs will stop getting reported. If that happens, by the time the OS has gotten where he wants it to go, it'll work 100% for only one user: Robert :-)

If he's fine with that, then there's no problem taking the attitude that he can work on just the parts he wants, when he wants.

Adam Mon, 04 Sep 2006 17:03:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (adamk) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?158856 http://osnews.com/thread?158856 However, being a bit supportive (not a user of SkyOS), if OpenGL works right and he can use it to make the desktops graphics blazingly fast, am I wrong to assume that will draw a lot of attention?

Except that it's software OpenGL only that's working. There is no hardware acceleration.

Adam Mon, 04 Sep 2006 17:05:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (adamk) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?158864 http://osnews.com/thread?158864 Seems like I am having trouble getting www.skyos.org to load here. Got through once and downloaded the iso only to get a crc error saying the download was broken. Any updates? Mon, 04 Sep 2006 17:44:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (gireesh) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?158868 http://osnews.com/thread?158868 The problem with the idea that it's only Robert's OS is that if he doesn't focus on users bugs, bugs will stop getting reported.

To be fair, he has fixed many, many reported bugs as well. Mon, 04 Sep 2006 18:03:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Kelly Rush) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?158870 http://osnews.com/thread?158870 My mouse and keyboard are both USB. Need I say more? Still OpenGL and desktop composition is very important, and if SkyOS can reuse Haikus USB-stack later then I would also focus on OpenGL atm. Mon, 04 Sep 2006 18:06:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (mnem0) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?158871 http://osnews.com/thread?158871 My mouse and keyboard are both USB.

Check your BIOS if usb->ps/2 emulation is enabled. If yes, everything will work just fine (I know from experience). Mon, 04 Sep 2006 18:09:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Thom_Holwerda) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?158872 http://osnews.com/thread?158872 Still OpenGL and desktop composition is very important, and if SkyOS can reuse Haikus USB-stack later then I would also focus on OpenGL atm.

If he were working on hardware accelerated OpenGL, I might agree with you. But there's no indication that this is the case. Mon, 04 Sep 2006 18:10:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (adamk) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?158886 http://osnews.com/thread?158886 Every time there's a news concerning SKYOS the site never open..

Can they're for one and for all fix the website??

Grrrrrrrrrrrr Mon, 04 Sep 2006 18:37:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Nehemoth) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?158890 http://osnews.com/thread?158890 Perhaps if you donated instead of blindy complaining, you'd be able to help them with the bandwidth cost of being linked to by OSNews.com and it's unappreciative users Mon, 04 Sep 2006 18:43:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Kroc) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?158894 http://osnews.com/thread?158894 Actually several versions of SkyOS worked fine on my machine.
But the last beta (the one before this) crashed on me

IMO people are too focused on let the OS run on VM's instead of real hardware.

Thats sad.

Hope this beta is doing better. Mon, 04 Sep 2006 18:47:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (jello) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?158900 http://osnews.com/thread?158900 when a new beta release is out, the server is under very heavy load, which it should be able to handle.

Since the new version of the site, the drupal cms is being used and drupal seems to have have trouble generating pages under heavy traffic, making the site unavailable... Mon, 04 Sep 2006 19:00:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Darkness) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?158901 http://osnews.com/thread?158901 Have you tested this beta? Did you report your problem on the bugtracker? Mon, 04 Sep 2006 19:07:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (adamk) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?158909 http://osnews.com/thread?158909 Haiku has been in development for... what... *5* years, I think? And we've got SOME hardware accelerated 3D (nVidia cards). SkyOS has been in development since BEFORE Haiku was even a dream (6 yrs.+) and he STILL doesn't have ANY hardware accelerated 3D? Sad.

He may be a one-man coding army, but I am starting to think people are slowly beginning to lose their enthusiasm in his work. After awhile, people want an OS THEY can use, not just an OS HE is working on.

In the end, I say we'll have Haiku R1 before SkyOS is a fully usable/game-capable OS. Mon, 04 Sep 2006 19:20:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Luposian) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?158910 http://osnews.com/thread?158910 I'm running this build without any trouble on my native installation. Mon, 04 Sep 2006 19:22:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Kelly Rush) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?158921 http://osnews.com/thread?158921 You make it seem like 3D drivers are the one and only thing an OS needs. That's true if you want to support games.

An os can be perfectly useable without it, though it's always nice if you can accelerate one and other. Mon, 04 Sep 2006 19:39:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Darkness) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?158942 http://osnews.com/thread?158942 how can i donate to a project that i don't know the direction? and also that it's lead for just one person.

Course Roberts its an amazing programing, but whats will happens if tomorrow when he wake up he just decide he don't wanna continue?? Mon, 04 Sep 2006 20:54:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Nehemoth) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?158948 http://osnews.com/thread?158948 "I paid 26 euro's once in the hope of having a lightweigth OS for my antique laptop"

Don't want to start a flame war, but there are quite a few linux distros out there which will run on older hardware, are very nice and cost absolutely nothing. Mon, 04 Sep 2006 21:19:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous Penguin) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?158975 http://osnews.com/thread?158975 and he STILL doesn't have ANY hardware accelerated 3D? Sad

You seem to be under the impression it's easy to get 3D hardware acceleration. Perhaps you'd like to point all the 'clueless' OS developpers towards ATI and Nvidia's freely available driver specifications?

What Haiku has achieved in hardware acceleration is mostly owed to one extremely talented expert named Rudolf Cornelissen who did some creative hacking. Mon, 04 Sep 2006 22:33:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Ronald Vos) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?158999 http://osnews.com/thread?158999 To my knowledge, Robert has programmed SkyOS 100% solo. So, one wonders why he hasn't been able to manage hardware accelerated 3D as well, even to the degree that Haiku has, which has been/required a team effort since day one.

It's obvious that Robert is the SkyOS equivilent of Haiku's Axel Dorfler. Except he's managed to code an entire OS from the ground up!

Surely *some* amount of hardware accelerated 3D at this stage is within his grasp... Mon, 04 Sep 2006 23:22:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Luposian) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?159017 http://osnews.com/thread?159017 good point, though even more so than you might think.

for instance I'm running linux on this G4 powermac using an nvidia geforce 4. there is no open source (or even closed source) driver capable of accelerated 3D for this card on a ppc system.

before really running it I would have thought 3D more pervasive than it is. now however, I see that what's actually important is to have accelerated _2D_ support. playing most (free) games, doing the regular desktop foo, watching DVDs, looking at most of the nifty (x)screensavers, all this is largely 2D stuff. 3D is really only in a small minority of apps out there, at least in Linux land (and I'd guess most of the alternative OSes like SkyOS) Tue, 05 Sep 2006 00:37:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (macisaac) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?159088 http://osnews.com/thread?159088 Thanks.. I must be blind |o) Tue, 05 Sep 2006 07:51:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (audun) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?159098 http://osnews.com/thread?159098 The problem, as I see it, is that keep on working on new things instead of finishing what they already implemented... Seems to me they need to define some path, and stick to it... Tue, 05 Sep 2006 08:22:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Leo43) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?159101 http://osnews.com/thread?159101 As a matter of fact, Robert once mentioned that he has the ati and nvidia specifications on his desk for his dayjob. He is just not allowed to use these specifications for his os. Tue, 05 Sep 2006 08:40:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Darkness) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?159137 http://osnews.com/thread?159137 The cross compiler was notably absent on recent builds. Even running native, the system isn't the most friendly of speed demons for development purposes. I didn't see any mention of this in the changelog....I don't suppose it's been included this time around either? Tue, 05 Sep 2006 11:39:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (jemerson) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?159159 http://osnews.com/thread?159159 SkyOS would be great except that Linux already does way more, is stable, and quite a few distributions run on the same hardware requirement. The SkyOS site says that a 500mhz computer cannot run the gui comfortably and that you need about 300mb ram ( granted that debugging is enabled ). Well I'm not much of an Ubuntu fan but it runs pretty well on machines that are less hardware capable. Plus there is the thing about Ubuntu being free and SkyOS ... not really free ...

But I'm sure that all this is a great learning experience for Robert + supporters. Tue, 05 Sep 2006 12:50:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (cg0def) Comments