http://www.osnews.com/story/15966/ZETA_1_21_Live_CD_Released Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2009, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:25:03 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif http://www.osnews.com http://osnews.com/thread?165436 http://osnews.com/thread?165436 Thats definitely good news. I hope Magnussoft is taking Zeta to the next level giving us another choice in the OS Market.

On a different note:
Could some please confirm if the Live Cd Works in Vmware or Virtual PC. Thank you.


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Vancouver Web Development http://www.medora.ca Mon, 25 Sep 2006 16:56:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Yomama) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?165450 http://osnews.com/thread?165450 as usual, awful webdesign...
but o/ for Zeta 1.21!!! Mon, 25 Sep 2006 17:19:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (makc) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?165458 http://osnews.com/thread?165458 Why wont magnussoft get its act together and develop zeta to support booting from an iso fs, instead of these backwards bfs images and .cue files. Mon, 25 Sep 2006 17:29:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (maxx_730) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?165460 http://osnews.com/thread?165460 Is it just me or are the download links not working? Mon, 25 Sep 2006 17:32:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Epyon) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?165462 http://osnews.com/thread?165462 Yeah and this explains also previous comment why it usually doesn't work in vmware or parallels Mon, 25 Sep 2006 17:34:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Brmbolec) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?165463 http://osnews.com/thread?165463 If burning a cue file is beyond your grasp, maybe you shouldn't be trying out alternitave operating systems. Mon, 25 Sep 2006 17:34:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (mikesum32) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?165466 http://osnews.com/thread?165466 I have gotten it running in VMware just fine. Trick is to burn a physical CD, put it in the physical CD/DVD drive, and use CDROM RAW mode to access/boot to it in VMWare.

Also have to hit spacebar and choose the "failsafe" VESA graphics as VMware's video chipset is not supported and looks HORRIBLE in Zeta.

Zeta 1.21 also has a vlance driver now to support the VMWare native network chipset.

I have a .vmx file laying around somewhere that I used recently...

RE: using ISO9660 - unfortunately BeOS/Zeta/Haiku currently require BFS to boot because the attributes are required for some purposes (I don't know the details really)Edited 2006-09-25 17:44 Mon, 25 Sep 2006 17:40:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (umccullough) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?165469 http://osnews.com/thread?165469 Very Sweet. Will download it tonight. Thank you umccullough Mon, 25 Sep 2006 17:44:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Yomama) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?165470 http://osnews.com/thread?165470 Very Sweet. Will download it tonight.

Ugh, now that I think of it... I've never actually tried the liveCD specifically in VMWare, only the full Zeta installation CD (which should boot the same way - right?)... I also will try it out tonight Mon, 25 Sep 2006 17:46:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (umccullough) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?165474 http://osnews.com/thread?165474 I'm downlading now just fine at 200K/s Mon, 25 Sep 2006 17:55:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (xfranky) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?165476 http://osnews.com/thread?165476 The problem is that the only program in Linux that can burn it is Nero. And how hard can it be to support booting from an iso fs if even the most basic of os's like visopsys and syllable can do it? Mon, 25 Sep 2006 17:59:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (maxx_730) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?165482 http://osnews.com/thread?165482 Posting this from live-cd through VMWare server, using daemon-tools mounted cue sheet.
Running fine, tho mouse is a bit funky at times - prob a vmware issue.

Used Windows 98 profile, vesa safemode. Mon, 25 Sep 2006 18:18:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Matzon) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?165483 http://osnews.com/thread?165483 And how hard can it be to support booting from an iso fs if even the most basic of os's like visopsys and syllable can do it?

You answered your own question I think

"Basic" OSes can boot from "basic" filesystems. I think a better question might be: Why can't the LiveCD/Install CD be an ISO9660 with a BFS image on it which the bootloader locates and boots the kernel from? Mon, 25 Sep 2006 18:19:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (umccullough) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?165484 http://osnews.com/thread?165484 using daemon-tools mounted cue sheet.

AH! why didn't I think of that?! - I always forget that daemon-tools (and other virtual cdrom software) usually support cue sheets Mon, 25 Sep 2006 18:21:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (umccullough) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?165486 http://osnews.com/thread?165486 You have just got to crack a smile at the live-cd filename;
Apparently i'm downloading a LifeCD

Oh! and use a download manager where you can resume downloads, because the transfer seems a little flaky ATM... Mon, 25 Sep 2006 18:46:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (ple_mono) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?165491 http://osnews.com/thread?165491 The problem is that the only program in Linux that can burn it is Nero.

I have NOT tried this with the Zeta CD, so I could be completely off, but I've been able to burn images with a .cue file using cdrecord's "cuefile=" argument.

It worked well for burining another non-standard filesystem image I had. I don't think it supports every possible mode though. Mon, 25 Sep 2006 18:53:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (signals) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?165493 http://osnews.com/thread?165493 Nero?! Perhaps try cdrdao? Mon, 25 Sep 2006 18:54:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Ford Prefect) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?165498 http://osnews.com/thread?165498 1. They need _one_ ISO image
2. The download is around 10 KB (10 hours) Mon, 25 Sep 2006 19:12:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (deb2006) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?165502 http://osnews.com/thread?165502 Blame your ISP, blame infrastructure, not their server - i'm at 80% since i made my last post about an hour ago.
[edit]ok, you didn't point any fingers, so scratch that part about their server [/edit]Edited 2006-09-25 19:22 Mon, 25 Sep 2006 19:20:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (ple_mono) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?165503 http://osnews.com/thread?165503 When you get lost on a raft in the middle of the ocean, you'd be glad you had downloaded the LifeCD. Mon, 25 Sep 2006 19:24:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (BlackJack75) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?165504 http://osnews.com/thread?165504 Same here. I abandoned the download because it's so terribly slow. And my ISP is fine thanks. I am pretty sure a torrent would download better as it always does. Mon, 25 Sep 2006 19:32:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (BlackJack75) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?165505 http://osnews.com/thread?165505 Let's hear it for your German then Mon, 25 Sep 2006 19:38:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (stew) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?165507 http://osnews.com/thread?165507 I should have made a program for burning the Zeta LiveCD more easily. I started it, but there's something wrong with my Windows (so CD writing interfaces and other stuff doesn't work well) and thought they would finally do this themselves.

(They can't use an ISO file because of the BeFS filesystem.)

(Hmm, link down, probably too many like me trying to download at once...)Edited 2006-09-25 19:53 Mon, 25 Sep 2006 19:47:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Invincible Cow) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?165508 http://osnews.com/thread?165508 The problem is that the only program in Linux that can burn it is Nero

Just thought to inform you that cdrdao and atleast Gnomebaker should burn .cue files, too. Cheers =) Mon, 25 Sep 2006 19:49:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (WereCatf) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?165513 http://osnews.com/thread?165513 k3b... and the list goes on Mon, 25 Sep 2006 20:07:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (ple_mono) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?165516 http://osnews.com/thread?165516 You can't have an ISO image of any BeOS version becuase all of the files need to be held on a BeFS partition on the CD as the installed requires the meta data the file system contains. If you put them all onto an ISO 9660 file system you loose all of the meta data etc. without which BeOS won't even boot. It is not hard to burn the floppy disk boot image and the main installer disk image under windows or Linux. You can do it with free tools, instructions available here http://www.beosmax.org/wiki/index.php/Instructions_on_burning_a_BeO... Mon, 25 Sep 2006 20:31:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (digitaldisaster) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?165517 http://osnews.com/thread?165517 I hope Zeta and BeOS will survive… Mon, 25 Sep 2006 20:34:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (SK8T) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?165523 http://osnews.com/thread?165523 I hope so, too.
But, if not, well ...
Back to the Live CD! My first impressions:
- The Video Editor does not work in any way (an absolutely horrible piece of software). According to German Forums a completely new written version is on the way, but not for Zeta 1.21.
- The BePodder Demo has expired, so it won't even start.
But the "rest" of the Live CD is very interesting (Firefox 2.0 Beta, a lot of bugfixes, a Gobe Trial version and so on). The Live CD runs very quickly and seems to be "stable". Nice work!!! Mon, 25 Sep 2006 20:56:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (nelvana2005) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?165527 http://osnews.com/thread?165527 I was quite impressed as well. Very snappy. They've also included ipw2200 wireless drivers, which is kind of cool.
Too bad i couldn't use usb though. I had to rip all my usb devices out to make it boot. It froze on loading EHCI module or something like that. I tried to connect my mouse, after a clean boot, but it did freeze anyway.
But other than that, very nice
(Rember that you can bring up a boot menu, right before it loads zeta, to enable safe mode and such...) Mon, 25 Sep 2006 21:10:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (ple_mono) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?165565 http://osnews.com/thread?165565 Yeah, K3B will burn a .cue file based CD image correctly. You just have to know how to use the program. Mon, 25 Sep 2006 23:34:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (djohnston) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?165567 http://osnews.com/thread?165567 Toast on the Mac complains about a lack of a bin file. Mon, 25 Sep 2006 23:36:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (zizban) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?165569 http://osnews.com/thread?165569 When I try to burn the cue file in Nero it crashes nero.

Any suggestions? Mon, 25 Sep 2006 23:39:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (blitze) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?165595 http://osnews.com/thread?165595 k3b fails to burn Zeta Live CD. Period!
It was complaining "file does not seem to be valid cue file" or such something.
I had to fire up my NeroExpress and now I have my ZetaCD. Tue, 26 Sep 2006 02:56:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (nedvis) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?165602 http://osnews.com/thread?165602 It would be nice if the .cue file worked with any other burner software than Nero though because not everyone has Nero (or even Windows).
If creating a .cue file that isn't broken is beyond your grasp, maybe you shouldn't sell an alternative operating system. Tue, 26 Sep 2006 03:26:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Soulbender) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?165617 http://osnews.com/thread?165617 Just use nero or nero for linux to make it easy :-)
Works like a charm on FC5.Edited 2006-09-26 04:46 Tue, 26 Sep 2006 04:45:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (netpython) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?165620 http://osnews.com/thread?165620 Is there a cli way of killing not responding apps on Zeta,like for example on linux?

The firefox browser suddenly said do it yourself. Tue, 26 Sep 2006 04:49:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (netpython) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?165630 http://osnews.com/thread?165630 Zeta is posix compliant, so you can use the same commands as in Linux to kill from a terminal. Tue, 26 Sep 2006 06:23:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (vasper) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?165651 http://osnews.com/thread?165651 If it's unable to find the .BIN file, try opening the .CUE file with a text editor, and enter the full path to where the .BIN file is. Tue, 26 Sep 2006 10:54:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (w00ter) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?165763 http://osnews.com/thread?165763 point being there are no "bin" files. The cue sheet is correct. The programs are just expecting something different. Even editing the file extensions and cue file to match expectations doesn't work. I have to burn the zip file for now and take the thing home to burn on my beos machine. Tue, 26 Sep 2006 18:01:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Kancept) Comments