http://www.osnews.com/story/16144/Qualcomm_Hands_Off_Eudora_to_Mozilla Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2009, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Tue, 10 Nov 2009 01:37:22 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif http://www.osnews.com http://osnews.com/thread?170904 http://osnews.com/thread?170904 God won't talk unless you uphold your end of the conversation. I have a reminder window that pops-up asking if you've made an offering. It's funny to call that ad-based. Hilarious in fact... I can't stop laughing.

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NILLED Wed, 11 Oct 2006 20:32:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (TDavis) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?170907 http://osnews.com/thread?170907 Eudora was actually my first e-mail client back in the win95 days. It was also my first webmail (@eudoramail.com or something like that, I was 12 or 13 lol)

It's had some good times and bad times, I stopped using it long ago though - just never seemed worth it and I rarely use e-mail clients at all anymore. Thunderbird I tend to use on occassion, and I'd like to use Kmail but without windows support I'm not sure I can...yet...

I sincerely hope Qualcomm and Mozilla team up and merge some of the features of their clients. Maybe this will benefit us all. Wed, 11 Oct 2006 20:35:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (ThawkTH) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?170910 http://osnews.com/thread?170910 it was THE email client when i started using emails. I wonder if mozilla will utalise the power of the brand, or stick with thunderbird Wed, 11 Oct 2006 20:39:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Adurbe) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?170913 http://osnews.com/thread?170913 Thunderbird is strong and stable client. While Mozilla should never stop the Eudora builds and support and enhancements... cause if it is open source you will always find some one to maintain it... the advantage? ... you have one more choice via open source as email client! Wed, 11 Oct 2006 20:43:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (TusharG) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?170917 http://osnews.com/thread?170917 i wonder if Qualcomm is going to hand over some open source goodies in the form of enhanced functionality in Thunderbird. Cross your fingers that this deal isn't a one way street. Wed, 11 Oct 2006 20:52:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (nalf38) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?170919 http://osnews.com/thread?170919 TRANSITION IS NOT A f--kING VERB. Wed, 11 Oct 2006 20:58:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (AdamW) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?170920 http://osnews.com/thread?170920 Wrong:

Main Entry: 2transition
Function: intransitive verb
: to make a transition

- m-w.com

BTW, It's also an andverb and adjective. Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:02:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (ThawkTH) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?170921 http://osnews.com/thread?170921 TRANSITION IS NOT A f--kING VERB.

Come back and complain in such a rude manner when YOU speak 3 languages fluently, and can understand 4. Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:04:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Thom_Holwerda) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?170932 http://osnews.com/thread?170932 Had you read the article...

Qualcomm on Wednesday joined up with the Mozilla Foundation to announce it is transitioning Eudora into an open source e-mail client that will be based upon Thunderbird. In turn, all future versions of Eudora will be free and Qualcomm will discontinue the current paid client.

(emphasis added)

It will be open source.

Further more, it's even an official mozilla project, that will accept 3rd party contributions.

http://wiki.mozilla.org/Penelope

From the project entry at the mozilla wiki: "The "Penelope" project's intention is to join the Eudora® user experience with the Mozilla platform. We intend to produce a version of Eudora that is open source and based on mozilla and Thunderbird. It's *not* our intention to compete with Thunderbird; rather, we want to complement it." Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:23:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (DittoBox) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?170934 http://osnews.com/thread?170934 Meh, I'm not really blaming you. A lot of people use it. It's just a horrible, horrible abuse of the language introduced by vacuous suits who want to make boring simple changes sound exciting and whizzy. Sigh. Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:29:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (AdamW) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?170955 http://osnews.com/thread?170955 "Come back and complain in such a rude manner when YOU speak 3 languages fluently, and can understand 4."

Not like it's that hard... He doesn't have to react that rude, but the defence is rather poor.

Edit: Typo grmbl, there goes my attack, lol.Edited 2006-10-11 22:08 Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:06:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Terracotta) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?170962 http://osnews.com/thread?170962 but the defence is rather poor.

It is NOT a poor defense. English is not my first language, and as such, errors may occur, that is inevitable. You are free to point out errors to me, as it will only improve my English-- however, not in this manner. As simple as that.

Dutch is my first language, and if someone wants to act like a rude ass to me because I might make a mistake in my English, I first suggest that someone learns to say the same things in Dutch I say in English. THEN we'll talk.

It is simply extremely impolite and outright rude to treat people like me, who go through all the trouble of acquiring several foreign languages, like shit just because we might make a mistake. Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:14:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Thom_Holwerda) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?170966 http://osnews.com/thread?170966 It's not like native speakers are in the flawless biz a lot. Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:27:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Ronald Vos) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?170971 http://osnews.com/thread?170971 Great - this looks exciting and promising. Eudora was my favorite email client. Lets see how it will grow now. Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:42:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (tripper) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?170973 http://osnews.com/thread?170973 In Thom's defence, plenty native speakers make the mistake of "inventing" new words (or misusing them) when one (or more) that already exist(s) will do just as well. English just happens to be particularly susceptible to this type of bastardization. Examples: "transition" as verb; "productize;" "product" (concrete noun, used to describe an abstract service); "burglarize" (for which the verb is "burgle" and the agent noun is "burglar", as "paint" is to "painter," and "saw" is to "sawyer"). Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:47:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (twenex) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?170977 http://osnews.com/thread?170977 Thanks, BUTT FACE. I read the f--king article.

What I was saying is that, having not used Eudora for at least a f--king century, if this means that the open source Eudora will be of the same functionality as Thunderbird but is essentially just rebranded, or if Qualcomm is going to get off their asses and actually give us some decent code instead of basically stealing Thunderbird and sticking a Eudora logo on it.

Thanks for being a complete asshole. Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:55:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (nalf38) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?170993 http://osnews.com/thread?170993 For a moment there I thought it said "Qualcomm Hands Off Eugenia to Mozilla". I couldn't for the life of me figure out if that ment they were fighting over her or if Qualcom owned her and was giving her to Mozilla. Wed, 11 Oct 2006 23:38:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (jbrader) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?170994 http://osnews.com/thread?170994 "Although it may seem like Eudora is simply abandoning its e-mail software"

Nice words but nonetheless the company _is_ ditching its codebase to put some makeup on another codebase. It's a sad moment and the end of a glorious alternative. :-(
Let's hope that at least Qualcomm will help improve Thunderbird's UI which is so-so. Wed, 11 Oct 2006 23:38:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (nicoladagostino) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?171007 http://osnews.com/thread?171007 When I began using computers, I soon abandoned Outlook Express for Eudora, there wasn't much choice in Windows at the time.
But when I began to use Linux I soon realized that there were better e-mail clients.
I almost immediately embraced Thunderbird when the first development releases began to appear.
Now Thunderbird is not perfect, but what sense could it make to use a commercial client when you could use a better free one? I bet a lot of people have a similar story to tell, hence the wisdom of this choice. Thu, 12 Oct 2006 00:23:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous Penguin) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?171011 http://osnews.com/thread?171011 i don't like Thunderbird at all Thu, 12 Oct 2006 00:26:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Mellin) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?171013 http://osnews.com/thread?171013 It looks like they're going to be adding code. As for giving any back, that probably depends on the terms of the Mozilla Public License whether or not they have to.

Of course, if they're hoping to get help from the Thunderbird community like they say, they better WANT to. Thu, 12 Oct 2006 00:38:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (DigitalAxis) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?171017 http://osnews.com/thread?171017 i don't like Thunderbird at all

I don't either. I use Opera's M2 E-mail client, it's excellent. Thu, 12 Oct 2006 00:55:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Joe User) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?171020 http://osnews.com/thread?171020 That is why choice is a good thing (TM) Thu, 12 Oct 2006 01:39:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous Penguin) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?171028 http://osnews.com/thread?171028 Like a lot of you I have been using Eudora from way back. However in the last several major releases I can't see that it has made much progress at all.

There was a short period where I tried a few other email clients but I had grown use to Eudora's interface and quirks. Other than the horrible search feature there really isn't anything to complain about, even with the ads.

I am interested to see what will happen with it now, but I am having a hard time imagining what will be added / change with it to pull me away from Gmail. Thu, 12 Oct 2006 02:38:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (redm) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?171034 http://osnews.com/thread?171034 As an old girlfriend of mine says:

You can wordify anything if you just verb it. Thu, 12 Oct 2006 04:14:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (drewunwired) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?171038 http://osnews.com/thread?171038 Eudora was my first email client ever. And I loved it. I also miss some features, for example, writing an email and postponing it to some date and time. Very good for writing birthday congratulations for your friends while you remember the date. :-)

I also remember I moved from Eudora to Outlook Express because of poor handling of HTML email. Then I moved to TheBat! (Russian email super-monster), then to the cross-platform Thunderbird, because I have to keep the same mailbox files both at home and at work. Thu, 12 Oct 2006 04:59:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (timothyha) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?171048 http://osnews.com/thread?171048 Rock on!! M2 is awesome. My 1st choice in mail clients. I also like Sylpheed-Claws, and Mutt. As far as ThunderBird goes, I never really cared for it much.

/2 centsEdited 2006-10-12 07:29 Thu, 12 Oct 2006 07:28:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Jedd) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?171070 http://osnews.com/thread?171070 Eudora is this is hardly a surprise... if Thunderbird is bloated, Eudora needs Richard Simmons' help at a whopping 16 meg download... What is it written in? Visual Basic? (ooh, cheap shot)

As mentioned though, Thunderbird is no prize pig either at a whopping 6 megs... For something with the functionality we had back on windows 3.1 with a 250-300k .exe

I mean seriously, what the {censored} are they doing with 6 megs? Of course, that gets VERY well pointed out by Opera, who's 4.6 meg download includes a browser AND a e-mail client AND full fledged RSS reader AND a widgets engine AND AND AND... Thu, 12 Oct 2006 11:08:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (deathshadow) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?171074 http://osnews.com/thread?171074 I'm surprised if theirs any Eudora users left, I downloaded the trial a couple of months back and thought the UI left little to be desired.

That aside, like many people here it was also my first e-mail client although I didn't have a say in the matter as I had to use it at work! Thu, 12 Oct 2006 11:36:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (oxleyn) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?171093 http://osnews.com/thread?171093 Exactly, this is what I found too, Eudora's UI is so 90's-ish... It hasn't changed for years. I seems QUALCOMM stopped caring about their product after some time... Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:06:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Joe User) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?171111 http://osnews.com/thread?171111 ROTFL! Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:24:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (DeadFishMan) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?171114 http://osnews.com/thread?171114 One can speak a language (or three) fluently and still make serious mistakes in usage from time to time, so multi-language fluency is not really meaningful in the context of this discussion.

FWIW, though, your usage is correct as far as I'm concerned, so don't sweat it. Folks who harp in public about grammatical errors often do so because they have little else to contibute. :-( Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:42:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (rcsteiner) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?171115 http://osnews.com/thread?171115 that's what microsoft tries to take away from you and me and every one Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:43:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Mellin) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?171145 http://osnews.com/thread?171145 cause if it is open source you will always find some one to maintain it...

WILL? ALWAYS? Some strong words there. Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:15:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (sappyvcv) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?171162 http://osnews.com/thread?171162 Actually we have seen over the last few years *TONS* of open-source projects being abandonned. Check out Sourceforge and Freshmeat. When you don't make money out of your work, you have to be very commited to keep your project alive. Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:50:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Joe User) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?171246 http://osnews.com/thread?171246 Agreed fully. Sometimes the whole ideal falls flat on it's face. Thu, 12 Oct 2006 23:15:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (sappyvcv) Comments