OpenSSE 10.1 ‘remastered’ has been released. “This release combines the 10.1 GM and all online updates that we have released for 10.1 so far, including libzypp, which should make the installing and working experience much smoother for everyone. We have created new CD ISO images and supplied delta ISOs from the goldmaster. The non-OSS DVD images will show up next week, we had to retract and will remaster. If you are running SUSE Linux 10.1 already, there is no need to download these images at all. Just do an update from our update repository to get all our security updates. This remastered media are useful for new installations.”
I appreciate the re-mastered install but is this not a little late when 10.2 is so close?
This would have been better once the fix/workaround for the rug problems was found.
Edited 2006-10-13 14:29
I agree. I managed to get 10.1 up and running finally with all the patching and am quite happy with it. It’s stable and goes great with milk once it’s all said and done, although I will say it felt a bit ‘rushed.’
10.2 will hopefully go through more rounds of testing before it can be considered release-able.
Actually no. OpenSUSE 10.2 is still in Alpha stage of developement and so the final release will not be available anytime soon.
———–Actually no. OpenSUSE 10.2 is still in Alpha stage of developement and so the final release will not be available anytime soon.———–
According to the suse website it’ll be available december. That’s pretty soon.
http://en.opensuse.org/Roadmap
It states:
==========The final release of openSUSE 10.2 is scheduled for Thu, Dec 7.==============
I bought 10.1 retail.
Man that was a disaster.Installing took ages.
initializing catalogs,determining dependencies,selecting sofware,again 5 minutes to initialize catalogs,just before actuall install again initializing the catalogs aaargh.
ZMD still didn’t work after all the updates.
Yast keeps displaying the updates although they are installed (10.2 still has that bug).
What difference does a retail linux box make these days?
SuSE should go the RedHat way and abandon the retail boxes.Who want to pay for being a guinee pig anyway?
OpenSUSE 10.1 and Novell SUSE Linux 10.1 are two different, but similar things. Novell has shifted the focus of the commercial SUSE to that of the enterprise environment. OpenSUSE is an independent project.
“OpenSUSE 10.1 and Novell SUSE Linux 10.1 are two different, but similar things. Novell has shifted the focus of the commercial SUSE to that of the enterprise environment. OpenSUSE is an independent project.”
Ermm..you may want to notify Novell of that. OpenSuse is a Novell sponsored project. OpenSuse is used as the base for Novells Enterprise line, and the key developers for OpenSuse are paid employees of Novell. Why do you think the package manager changed? Because Novell wanted to implement RedCarpet.
I don’t believe it is too close to 10.2 which is due out in December.
As for re-releasing 10.1 with the YaST and all the other package manager updates, I think it was a long time coming and should have been done a while ago to make the new user experience better.
but, it was needed six weeks after the release of 10.1, not 6 weeks before the release of 10.2
A retail 10.2 for half the prize and money back garantee if it’s rush hour
Considering their first try drove me to gentoo for my amd64 after it wouldn’t install this is not a bad thing, especially if it buys them time to work a few more bugs out, polish it up and really nail it with 10.2
Pretend YaST doesn’t include package management features and use Smart instead. You’ll have a much better SUSE experience that way. YaST is a fantastic control panel but sucks donkeys at package management.
Smart reads repository data at least 100 times faster than YaST, Suse’s version comes with several 3rd party repositories by default. I’ve only needed to add a few more channels to access everything. It rarely complains about any broken dependencies when doing a system-wide update and the CLI and GUI interfaces are streamlined for superior usability.
Just my two cents.
“YaST is a fantastic control panel but sucks donkeys at package management.”
Very true, and that has always been the case. That is why I have been for years a great supporter of apt4rpm and now Smart as well. It is sad, though, that apt must be “phased out”. It is silly internal “politics” and they might lose a customer here.
Pretend YaST doesn’t include package management features and use Smart instead. You’ll have a much better SUSE experience that way. YaST is a fantastic control panel but sucks donkeys at package management.
Yast in 10.1 isn’t bad if you uninstall zmd. With that monster removed, Yast operates in the same old manner it always did, which means it’s a reasonably good package manager. I actually prefer it to Smart because I like a little better granular control over dependencies, Smart generally does a good job but when it can’t work one out it simply uninstalls or downgrades packages, not always what you want.
In 10.2 alpha, Yast is actually much faster than previously (again, with zmd removed), particularly when refreshing sources etc., plus there’s even feedback now as to what it’s doing, instead of sitting with a blank screen making you wonder if it’s crashed or not.
Still, you can’t really go wrong with either one.
Yast in 10.1 isn’t bad if you uninstall zmd.
Wow! I thought my RPM system would die if I do that…
Than I punched in:
rpm -e libzypp-zmd-backend zmd zmd-inventory suseRegister rug zen-updater
And, adding sources to Yast works again! I get through to package manager in under a minute! Wow! This “fix” should be standard fare for any new OpenSuse install. Thx.
Many thanks for this simple, but brilliant advice!
After having uninstalled all this zmd-related stuff, the Yast package management works flawlessly again like in former Suse versions.
It is hard to understand why they incorporated this piece of alpha software into a major release of their distribution.
Unbelievable!!!
And, adding sources to Yast works again!
Hmm i removed the packages you mentioned via Yast and it rendered my system useless with 1001 dependancies.
I was quite disappointed with x86 64 OpenSuse 10.1. It was extremely slow. Yast took hours thinking God knows what. The problem was with installing software.
>> I was quite disappointed with x86 64 OpenSuse 10.1. It was extremely slow. Yast took hours thinking God knows what. The problem was with installing software.
“OpenSuse is like Fedora” is not the same as “YaST is like Yum”. Fedora’s package manager is slow, but it wasn’t broken like YaST was.
apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
That’s all
SuSE 10.1 is a catastrophy!
I would call it unuseable. For example,
i had a rpm on my desktop. I double clicked it, and the yast software installer opend and told me “the package was not found on the medium”
-.-‘
A catastrophy? I’m running it on all of my machines (5 at last count), and it’s running fine. As a previous poster said, use Smart instead of zmd and life goes much smoother.
I had an rpm on my desktop too. I opened up a terminal and typed rpm -Uvh <rpm name> and would you believe it installed? Go figure. 10.1 isn’t perfect. I believe it is getting better and better with the occasional setback (though I’d say the overall trend is positive).
Give the developers a break. They’re bustin’ their butts to create something good that most of us download for free.
As for the error that you complained about, did you file a bug report (hint: posting it on OSNews doesn’t count). 🙂
not exactly a catastrophe and although some things are a pain in the neck, SUSE has been my fav distro for several years.
as for the problem with installing rpm’s, it’s because the path to where the package is has to be added to the list beforehand and then it can be installed smoothly.
i agree apt-get does its job neatly. CLI, but easy. i have it working on suse, too. it should be there by default.
I have just installed the Suse 10.1 Media Refresh. This bug has been fixed by Suse, it is not a problem anymore.
My only complaint about Smart is that it doesn’t work well for users who depend on CDs as the installation medium. It’s not…. “Smart” enough to tell the user which CD to insert. In the case of an OS like SUSE, which has 5 CDs, this is a pain. I can’t speak for using Smart with a broadband connection.
I hadn’t heard about that. I’ve never used it without a broadband connection, and using that way is great. I suspect that using it with a single DVD would yield similar results.
I could see where it would be a real pain having to insert a CD and not being told which one, especially if you’re installing multiple packages or muliple packages are being installed to satisfy dependencies, since they never seem to put everything you need on the same disc (except in the case of the DVD). 🙂
Sounds like an area that could definitely use some improvement, but I think they are on the right track.
OpenSSE 10.1 ‘remastered’ has been released.
OpenSSE -> OpenSUSE