http://www.osnews.com/story/16167/OpenSUSE_10_1_Remastered_Released Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2009, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:14:57 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif http://www.osnews.com http://osnews.com/thread?171409 http://osnews.com/thread?171409 I appreciate the re-mastered install but is this not a little late when 10.2 is so close?

This would have been better once the fix/workaround for the rug problems was found.Edited 2006-10-13 14:29 Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:27:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Organic_Info) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?171438 http://osnews.com/thread?171438 I bought 10.1 retail.
Man that was a disaster.Installing took ages.

initializing catalogs,determining dependencies,selecting sofware,again 5 minutes to initialize catalogs,just before actuall install again initializing the catalogs aaargh.

ZMD still didn't work after all the updates.
Yast keeps displaying the updates although they are installed (10.2 still has that bug).

What difference does a retail linux box make these days?

SuSE should go the RedHat way and abandon the retail boxes.Who want to pay for being a guinee pig anyway? Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:14:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (trinitrotolueen) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?171440 http://osnews.com/thread?171440 I agree. I managed to get 10.1 up and running finally with all the patching and am quite happy with it. It's stable and goes great with milk once it's all said and done, although I will say it felt a bit 'rushed.'

10.2 will hopefully go through more rounds of testing before it can be considered release-able. Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:17:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (WarpKat) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?171441 http://osnews.com/thread?171441 I don't believe it is too close to 10.2 which is due out in December.

As for re-releasing 10.1 with the YaST and all the other package manager updates, I think it was a long time coming and should have been done a while ago to make the new user experience better. Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:18:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (EclipseAgent) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?171465 http://osnews.com/thread?171465 OpenSUSE 10.1 and Novell SUSE Linux 10.1 are two different, but similar things. Novell has shifted the focus of the commercial SUSE to that of the enterprise environment. OpenSUSE is an independent project. Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:49:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Rugmonster) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?171468 http://osnews.com/thread?171468 but, it was needed six weeks after the release of 10.1, not 6 weeks before the release of 10.2 Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:53:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (REMF) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?171478 http://osnews.com/thread?171478 A retail 10.2 for half the prize and money back garantee if it's rush hour Fri, 13 Oct 2006 16:06:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (netpython) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?171483 http://osnews.com/thread?171483 Actually no. OpenSUSE 10.2 is still in Alpha stage of developement and so the final release will not be available anytime soon. Fri, 13 Oct 2006 16:13:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Dark_Knight) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?171487 http://osnews.com/thread?171487 Considering their first try drove me to gentoo for my amd64 after it wouldn't install this is not a bad thing, especially if it buys them time to work a few more bugs out, polish it up and really nail it with 10.2 Fri, 13 Oct 2006 16:35:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Sphinx) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?171489 http://osnews.com/thread?171489 Pretend YaST doesn't include package management features and use Smart instead. You'll have a much better SUSE experience that way. YaST is a fantastic control panel but sucks donkeys at package management.

Smart reads repository data at least 100 times faster than YaST, Suse's version comes with several 3rd party repositories by default. I've only needed to add a few more channels to access everything. It rarely complains about any broken dependencies when doing a system-wide update and the CLI and GUI interfaces are streamlined for superior usability.

Just my two cents. Fri, 13 Oct 2006 16:37:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Xaero_Vincent) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?171490 http://osnews.com/thread?171490 -----------Actually no. OpenSUSE 10.2 is still in Alpha stage of developement and so the final release will not be available anytime soon.-----------

According to the suse website it'll be available december. That's pretty soon.

http://en.opensuse.org/Roadmap

It states:

==========The final release of openSUSE 10.2 is scheduled for Thu, Dec 7.============== Fri, 13 Oct 2006 16:39:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (halfmanhalfamazing) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?171499 http://osnews.com/thread?171499 "OpenSUSE 10.1 and Novell SUSE Linux 10.1 are two different, but similar things. Novell has shifted the focus of the commercial SUSE to that of the enterprise environment. OpenSUSE is an independent project."

Ermm..you may want to notify Novell of that. OpenSuse is a Novell sponsored project. OpenSuse is used as the base for Novells Enterprise line, and the key developers for OpenSuse are paid employees of Novell. Why do you think the package manager changed? Because Novell wanted to implement RedCarpet. Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:05:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (DrillSgt) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?171544 http://osnews.com/thread?171544 "YaST is a fantastic control panel but sucks donkeys at package management."

Very true, and that has always been the case. That is why I have been for years a great supporter of apt4rpm and now Smart as well. It is sad, though, that apt must be "phased out". It is silly internal "politics" and they might lose a customer here. Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:38:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous Penguin) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?171546 http://osnews.com/thread?171546 Pretend YaST doesn't include package management features and use Smart instead. You'll have a much better SUSE experience that way. YaST is a fantastic control panel but sucks donkeys at package management.

Yast in 10.1 isn't bad if you uninstall zmd. With that monster removed, Yast operates in the same old manner it always did, which means it's a reasonably good package manager. I actually prefer it to Smart because I like a little better granular control over dependencies, Smart generally does a good job but when it can't work one out it simply uninstalls or downgrades packages, not always what you want.

In 10.2 alpha, Yast is actually much faster than previously (again, with zmd removed), particularly when refreshing sources etc., plus there's even feedback now as to what it's doing, instead of sitting with a blank screen making you wonder if it's crashed or not.

Still, you can't really go wrong with either one. Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:39:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (elsewhere) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?171553 http://osnews.com/thread?171553 I was quite disappointed with x86 64 OpenSuse 10.1. It was extremely slow. Yast took hours thinking God knows what. The problem was with installing software. Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:30:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anton_Andreev) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?171561 http://osnews.com/thread?171561 apt-get update && apt-get upgrade

That's all Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:53:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (deb2006) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?171562 http://osnews.com/thread?171562 >> I was quite disappointed with x86 64 OpenSuse 10.1. It was extremely slow. Yast took hours thinking God knows what. The problem was with installing software.

"OpenSuse is like Fedora" is not the same as "YaST is like Yum". Fedora's package manager is slow, but it wasn't broken like YaST was. Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:55:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (h3rman) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?171596 http://osnews.com/thread?171596 Yast in 10.1 isn't bad if you uninstall zmd.

Wow! I thought my RPM system would die if I do that...

Than I punched in:
rpm -e libzypp-zmd-backend zmd zmd-inventory suseRegister rug zen-updater

And, adding sources to Yast works again! I get through to package manager in under a minute! Wow! This "fix" should be standard fare for any new OpenSuse install. Thx. Fri, 13 Oct 2006 22:24:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (suslik) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?171607 http://osnews.com/thread?171607 SuSE 10.1 is a catastrophy!

I would call it unuseable. For example,

i had a rpm on my desktop. I double clicked it, and the yast software installer opend and told me "the package was not found on the medium"

-.-' Fri, 13 Oct 2006 23:12:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (SK8T) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?171617 http://osnews.com/thread?171617 A catastrophy? I'm running it on all of my machines (5 at last count), and it's running fine. As a previous poster said, use Smart instead of zmd and life goes much smoother.

I had an rpm on my desktop too. I opened up a terminal and typed rpm -Uvh and would you believe it installed? Go figure. 10.1 isn't perfect. I believe it is getting better and better with the occasional setback (though I'd say the overall trend is positive).

Give the developers a break. They're bustin' their butts to create something good that most of us download for free.

As for the error that you complained about, did you file a bug report (hint: posting it on OSNews doesn't count). :-) Sat, 14 Oct 2006 00:44:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (john) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?171632 http://osnews.com/thread?171632 My only complaint about Smart is that it doesn't work well for users who depend on CDs as the installation medium. It's not.... "Smart" enough to tell the user which CD to insert. In the case of an OS like SUSE, which has 5 CDs, this is a pain. I can't speak for using Smart with a broadband connection. Sat, 14 Oct 2006 04:29:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (sb56637) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?171677 http://osnews.com/thread?171677 I hadn't heard about that. I've never used it without a broadband connection, and using that way is great. I suspect that using it with a single DVD would yield similar results.

I could see where it would be a real pain having to insert a CD and not being told which one, especially if you're installing multiple packages or muliple packages are being installed to satisfy dependencies, since they never seem to put everything you need on the same disc (except in the case of the DVD). :-)

Sounds like an area that could definitely use some improvement, but I think they are on the right track. Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:36:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (john) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?171687 http://osnews.com/thread?171687 Many thanks for this simple, but brilliant advice!
After having uninstalled all this zmd-related stuff, the Yast package management works flawlessly again like in former Suse versions.
It is hard to understand why they incorporated this piece of alpha software into a major release of their distribution.
Unbelievable!!! Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:03:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (nelvana2005) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?171695 http://osnews.com/thread?171695 OpenSSE 10.1 'remastered' has been released.
OpenSSE -> OpenSUSE Sat, 14 Oct 2006 15:08:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Punktyras) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?171703 http://osnews.com/thread?171703 not exactly a catastrophe and although some things are a pain in the neck, SUSE has been my fav distro for several years.

as for the problem with installing rpm's, it's because the path to where the package is has to be added to the list beforehand and then it can be installed smoothly.

i agree apt-get does its job neatly. CLI, but easy. i have it working on suse, too. it should be there by default. Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:07:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (justin.68) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?171808 http://osnews.com/thread?171808 And, adding sources to Yast works again!

Hmm i removed the packages you mentioned via Yast and it rendered my system useless with 1001 dependancies. Sun, 15 Oct 2006 09:00:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (netpython) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?171821 http://osnews.com/thread?171821 I have just installed the Suse 10.1 Media Refresh. This bug has been fixed by Suse, it is not a problem anymore. Sun, 15 Oct 2006 11:35:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (nelvana2005) Comments