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However Microsoft already tried to do this, they tried to implement PDF into Office 2007 but they were refused and monopoly was mentioned again. Im sure if Microsoft was allowed to do it with office they would have done it with Windows.

Problem was writing, not reading.

I hope XPS is better and more lightweight than the 100MB Adobe Acrobat

???

How could graphic format be more lightweight than piece of software. Or better, how can you compare. I guess, printing the spec book of XPS, printing source of Acrobat and measuring which has more pages?

As I said, there is zillion PDF readers, some very lightweight, just pick your poison.

Just because you hate Microsoft doesn’t mean I can’t wish for an advance.

I don’t hate MS, I just don’t support their way. Read my comments. There is a lot of difference between me and you. I’m not biased, and whenever I am, I specify that without any shame on my soul. You on the other hand are more or less zealoting against linux only.

Now second question, how could you advance by replacing PORTABLE Document Format with smething not portable (license is not porting friendly)? As soon as you would try to replace it, you’d cross against the only reason why PDF is important the way it is, portability.

I don’t say XPS is not better than PDF (maybe yes, maybe not. I don’t know enough about XPS. But please don’t send me link for MS video about it. It was full of enormous mistakes like their bad printing quality of PS demonstration, anyone with basic PS knowledge can simulate it in 2 seconds), it just isn’t portable yet (nd not possible to be either). So, yes. Basing that you use Windows only, you might even advance with XPS (or not), but in the end of the day your ass is not horizon.

I’ve tried them. They don’t work well. Adobe keeps extending its format meaning free readers never quite render documents that well.

Funny, never used Adobe Reader, never had any problems.

And I have quite a few pretty advanced PDF needs. Which would include parsing and processing them on server side from my services.

XPS is an ECMA standard (or will be). PDF isn’t.

PDF is document standard in EU (and more or less elsewhere too). XPS isn’t. PDF covers 99.999%, XPS won’t achieve that ever.

Who cares about ECMA.

And XPS is installed with Vista. No downloads necessary.

Meaning 0.11% can read XPS now. You win.

At least don’t talk out of your ass and please stop zealoting with your own personal opinions. I’m a linux user, but I never consider one over another OS as public opinion. Personally, I know what I need and what I want (it ain’t Windows that’s for sure). Public? Who am I to speak what people need. Everybody has its own hammer for his nails and I leave people to decide on their poison.

One thing is bashing where truth really hurts (there are a lot of topics on every OS like that). Other is doing what you do. Constantly making stupid, biased and non-related remarks which always take off out of your ass. And thinking that you always proclaim how you bash zealots? Well, it takes one to…

At least don’t talk out of your ass and please stop zealoting with your own personal opinions.

Ooops. I forgot. Opinions not sanction by the cult are disallowed.

Maybe you shouldn’t cut one sentence out of whole. It distorts what I said and you just gave another stupid remark on your account.

Let me be clear and tactful as possible (if I wasn’t).

If one is stating personal opinion? It is OK (I even respect those who state it, no matter what their preference. Go over my commens and look how many times I defend MS for example). But you don’t do that. You state your personal opinion as it would be the only truth ruling this world. In your comments your ass is worlds brain.

Stating comments like you do brings the worst out of people. Even those who usually tend to make smart remarks enter into their defensive mode because of them. Nobody likes someone to step on their baby, Imagine someone shitting over MS based articles like you do on linux. Not pleasant.

To be even more clear. Just be specific what is personal and what is global. Let me give you example of your usual comments.

– Linux sucks, etc are simply non founded comments (same goes for Windows sucks).

– Exchange is the best? It might even be for you. A lot of people would disagree, their needs probably differ from yours (and every nail has its own best hammer). I for one can’t afford Exchange because I have too large needs. And having one computer with Qmail packed with features (if you don’t know my needs or you don’t know what everything is possible, your comment is not needed) instead of needing cluster of Exchange computers is a big benefit as well for me as my customers (simply too much money goes to MS, I can even decently charge for my work. Hey I’m human, I like earning money, and selling linux solutions means 80-90% more earnings than selling windows ones for me). This is why MS products are loss when I consider wheter to use them or not. Simply too much money goes to MS (and customer is always limited in that department) and fact that all solutions are closed.

– Linux users are cultists? This just makes you MS brainwashed cultist, nothing else.

– Linux users are zealots? If not, they became that after your unfounded and biased global attacks.

Who cares about ECMA.[/]

The cult are hypocrites.

Not really. PDF was always exception, known for its closed features. PDF was used because it runs on 99.999% of computers, is already ported to most platforms and because is already used widely.

None of these reasons could be said about XPS. MS won’t port it to other OSes (no, OSX is not enough, there is a wide variety of other OSes in the wild). And even if you say “then port it to linux your self”, this would mean another backstep for other platforms. It is time and resource consuming hot water reinvention. Why when PDF already exists?

Beside the point. where did I ever state the fact that PDF is open standard?

p.s. Some of us like to read articles and what people have to say about it. And if you ask me, you tend to make my enjoyment almost a pain whenever linux article is question. As soon as you attack or even post, otherwise maybe even enjoyable topic becomes a flamewar. I don’t know what linux or people using it did to you, but I doubt that you would be harmed from people on News sites. And most read news for the same reasons I do. Yes, this is my personal opinion. Even moding down doesn’t help, your comments are moded down but there is always lot of non moded flamewar parts from others. If linux is not your thing, please avoid it.

[sarcasm] thanks for taking my little joys [/sarcasm]

I think you dislike what I say because I don’t kiss the *ss of the cult

Guess my hope you can be reasoned with is hopeless *sigh*

What is the cult?

Should I be a part of some cult? Or am I already in your opinion?

And I think the cult are hypocrites because they want open standards but they are willing to make exceptions if they think it annoys Microsoft. The fact that PDF is copyrighted and patented by Adobe doesn’t bother them if they perceive Adobe as the enemy of Microsoft.

No, it isn’t that. XPS as standard would mean other OSes couldn’t read standard. What kind of standard would that be? Even minority are people deserving the right to read standards, don’t you agree?

Again my question. When have I said that being non-MS tech is the reason for PDF? I said the reason is, PDF covers all OSes and covers them now. MS has no plans like that.

Why do you keep off-topic and don’t answer any real question? Now I’m starting to think you really lack brains. Cutting out one sentence and answering on it like that would be whole basis for my comment. Please do take it as whole, or simply don’t answer because I’m only starting to think you’re stupid and simply lack brains (you just waste my time and your IQ in my eyes nears your OSNews_average*100).

p.s. You seem to fit your beloved word very well. Posting some link and adding FUD is just that.

[from dictionary]

“Hypocrite | Hyp”o*crite |

one who feigns to be other and better than he is; a false pretender to virtue or piety; one who simulates virtue or piety.”

I’m anoyed with your comments too. But I don’t fit your group (based on your description you seem to think you annoy only zealots, no you don’t, you annoy everybody).

I’m anoyed because your comments act like there is no minority and nobody should care about them.

I’m anoyed because you’re too pushy.

I’m annoyed because you act like you know how people should think and what they need

In fact, I’m starting to get anoyed whenever you post to linux article. You never post one true thing without a FUD spin.

Please, do answer me these next questions, I’m really interested in your answer.

Did I do something to you?

Did most of the readers (some might be anoying, but I don’t consider this as a reason to shit over everybody or provoking them)?

Did linux do something to you (did maybe sneak him self your machine during the night while formatting the windows partition)?

Would it hurt to leave linux topics and post about what you know and like (it is obvious that you know about linux almost zero, what you learn from MS FUD machine would be your knowledge about it)?

p.p.s. If I try to think with your brain, this is what I get…

I think that I should get my self another account and start doing to Windows articles like you are doing to linux. It seems fun from your standpoint. Hell, most of the linux users here should do that. I think it will be a real fun reading Windows articles afterwards.