http://www.osnews.com/story/16669/Unheralded_Larrabee_Plots_AMD_Nvidia_Takedown Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2009, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Tue, 10 Nov 2009 10:15:40 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif http://www.osnews.com http://osnews.com/thread?189792 http://osnews.com/thread?189792 let the graphics wars begin anew! Fri, 08 Dec 2006 20:30:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (helf) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?189794 http://osnews.com/thread?189794 I thought the next generation of graphics was going to be ray traced.
With ray tracing wouldn't you get all of the stuff that is 'hacked' into current processors for free? Fri, 08 Dec 2006 20:39:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (FunkyELF) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?189795 http://osnews.com/thread?189795 It would be really nice if they came out with something that's at least competetive against nvidia/ati chips. More competition = lower prices Fri, 08 Dec 2006 20:40:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Ultimatebadass) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?189796 http://osnews.com/thread?189796 How long does it take to go from hiring engineers to shipping a product I can go out and buy? If they offer open source drivers like they already do for other products, it can't happen fast enough for my liking.. Fri, 08 Dec 2006 20:41:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (tux68) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?189798 http://osnews.com/thread?189798 Ray tracing is computationally very expensive, even if you do most of it in hardware. Fri, 08 Dec 2006 20:50:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (tomcat) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?189799 http://osnews.com/thread?189799 Desiring to knock-off NVidia and ATI isn't the same thing as doing it. Intel has thrown lots of dollars at this problem in the past and, so far, it hasn't been successful, either. As they say, I'll believe it when I see it. Fri, 08 Dec 2006 20:54:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (tomcat) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?189800 http://osnews.com/thread?189800 I am all for it. Fri, 08 Dec 2006 21:08:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (ronaldst) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?189814 http://osnews.com/thread?189814 If Intel is as open source friendly with their nextgen graphics technology, as they are with their current technology, I can't wait to see Nvidia/ATI put in their place.

I have an GeForce GTX8800. It won't work with my Dell 30" FP because Nvidia's Unix drivers don't support dual-link TMDS on the G80 GPU yet.

If this was open source, I would have had a $600 graphics card sitting in its box for over a month.

I like Nvidia better than ATI, but Nvidia is merely the lesser of two evils. Fri, 08 Dec 2006 21:38:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (tmack) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?189815 http://osnews.com/thread?189815 I'd like to add that if Intel provides open source drivers for THEIR "good" video hardware, it could possibly drive Nvidia and ATI to do the same. Fri, 08 Dec 2006 21:40:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (tmack) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?189821 http://osnews.com/thread?189821 I have to agree with tomcat here, it's not worth it to even try to do ray tracing in real-time. There are many tricks you can do (such as bump- and normal-mapping) to achieve better graphics, but ray-tracing isn't one of them. Fri, 08 Dec 2006 21:50:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (archiesteel) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?189822 http://osnews.com/thread?189822 I'd like to add that if Intel provides open source drivers for THEIR "good" video hardware, it could possibly drive Nvidia and ATI to do the same.

Indeed. I do believe that this is Intel's plan - after all, it has nothing to lose (and everything to gain) by open-sourcing its drivers in the current context.

Note, however, that there are persistent rumors that AMD will open-source the ATI drivers as well, which would leave only Nvidia with closed-source drivers. Fri, 08 Dec 2006 21:53:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (archiesteel) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?189838 http://osnews.com/thread?189838 nvidia and ati (ati more so) have both punished linux and foss, now that intel is open source, its seems its payback time, PS sooner or later ati and nvidia will have to open their drivers.


wow tech is really hotting up, Microssoft is running scared, Intel is pushing base, Oracle is invading, wat a year

i for one welcome this Fri, 08 Dec 2006 22:49:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (jango) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?189840 http://osnews.com/thread?189840 GPUs used to be very different from CPUs, but recent GPUs are starting to look like multicore processors with a little graphics-specific logic added on. Intel's decades of experience in processor design can now be applied to graphics. Fri, 08 Dec 2006 22:54:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Wes Felter) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?189870 http://osnews.com/thread?189870 Dude, why did you buy a card like that without research? I mean why would you want to put yourself in a position where your $600 graphics card doesn't support your platform of choice?

It doesn't take much to check the Nvidia site to see if they have drivers for *nix....

I would understand if your where bitching about performance being worse under Linux with SLI, or something of that sort, but this was your own fault. Fri, 08 Dec 2006 23:59:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Wintermute) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?189897 http://osnews.com/thread?189897 Dear Genius,

Please review the following info from their driver:

Beta Driver - Linux Display Driver – x86

Version: 1.0-9742
Operating System: Linux x86
Release Date: November 8, 2006
BETA Driver

Release Highlights

* Adds support for GeForce 8800 GTX and GeForce 8800 GTS GPUs.

Yet with dual link TMDS, all you get is a black screen (one of the Nvidia devs later revealed they have this in their bug tracker as a known bug).

This card in combination with a dual-link TMDS monitor is pretty rare and they never mentioned in their driver documentation that this was an issue.

The nvidia devs told me this will be fixed in the next release. It's just too bad that it's closed source, so I have to wait until it's financial prudent for Nvidia to fix their damn product.Edited 2006-12-09 01:22 Sat, 09 Dec 2006 01:19:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (tmack) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?189912 http://osnews.com/thread?189912 intel wants to off customers the complete solution. personaly i think they should have partnerd with nvidia but its cheeper for intel to do it this way. ATI, Nvidia, S3, and intel let the games begin.... Sat, 09 Dec 2006 02:25:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (poundsmack) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?189945 http://osnews.com/thread?189945 Ray tracing is parallel processing friendly. Imagine a card manufacturer embedding two or more cores dedicated to tracing rays into gfx cards, Sat, 09 Dec 2006 05:06:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (npang) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?189971 http://osnews.com/thread?189971 Or while we are at it, let's just imagine a beowulf cluster of these....

Um No. Imagine Imagine Imagine... it's like Hollywood magic!

Ray tracing is expensive, the hardware required to do it real time at a performance rate that would be acceptable to a gamer is even more so. Adding more cores, increases complexity and the cost to manufacture the item. The goal of a business is not to produce a product that is the best on the planet but no one will buy becuase it costs too much. (SEE SGI Workstations for more information).

They want to make the best product they can for as cheap as they can so that the average consumer will *buy* it. It's all about volume these days. Margins are very tight in the hardware business so I doubt you'll see anyone making the "Real-time Raytracing" leap for a while yet. We still have a few more(dozen maybe?) generations of hardware to go through before we approach hardware that's affordable and capable of that. Sat, 09 Dec 2006 06:57:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Arakon) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?190017 http://osnews.com/thread?190017 Actually GPUs *are* multicore processors. Let's say they are "RISC" somehow

And I'd add: http://developer.nvidia.com/object/cuda.html

C extension framework for general programming on the GPU. Looks quite more comfortable than writing the shaders and reinventing addressing schemes for gpgpu Sat, 09 Dec 2006 11:09:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (makc) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?190033 http://osnews.com/thread?190033 I hope that's that case as there is a freeBSD install that is languishing because of ATI x1600 that is installed. Sat, 09 Dec 2006 12:16:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Flatland_Spider) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?190053 http://osnews.com/thread?190053 Desiring to knock-off NVidia and ATI isn't the same thing as doing it. Intel has thrown lots of dollars at this problem in the past and, so far, it hasn't been successful, either. As they say, I'll believe it when I see it.

Intel has never had a competitor like this before, that offers both high end CPUs and high end graphics cards. In fact Intel never wanted to make high end graphics cards before. They were content offering integrated solutions. Lately we've seen Intel get more serious about their graphics chipsets and it seems this project is an extension of that. Intel has a lot of money and a lot of engineers. If they really want to make a high end graphics card they will. Sat, 09 Dec 2006 14:06:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (abraxas) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?190193 http://osnews.com/thread?190193 SaarCor Project is developing realtime raytracing hardware and do it prety well and fast. In the web you can see scenes from quake raytraced at 15FPS in one of the first test cards (the card the made in 2004). www.saarcor.de Sat, 09 Dec 2006 22:45:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (GatoLoko) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?190738 http://osnews.com/thread?190738 In order to do this, you need a fan-boy base. To generate a fan-boy base, you need over-clockable hardware and more FPS than anybody else.

That's it. Mon, 11 Dec 2006 16:25:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (jo42) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?190917 http://osnews.com/thread?190917 Intel has a lot of money and a lot of engineers. If they really want to make a high end graphics card they will.

Sure, but ATI and NVidia aren't exactly just going to sit still while it happens. All of them are throwing heavy-duty R&D dollars at the problem of building faster cards. Plus, ATI & NVidia have been working with Microsoft for years on graphics card technology. To some extent, they have been helping to drive the technology forward, so it will take a concerted effort on Intel's part to match that kind of focus. Tue, 12 Dec 2006 00:18:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (tomcat) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?190965 http://osnews.com/thread?190965 Sure, but ATI and NVidia aren't exactly just going to sit still while it happens. All of them are throwing heavy-duty R&D dollars at the problem of building faster cards. Plus, ATI & NVidia have been working with Microsoft for years on graphics card technology. To some extent, they have been helping to drive the technology forward, so it will take a concerted effort on Intel's part to match that kind of focus.

Intel has been working with Microsoft for years and they have a lot more money, especially for R&D. I'm not saying Intel is going to take on ATI and Nvidia over night but they have the resources to do it. Tue, 12 Dec 2006 02:32:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (abraxas) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?192709 http://osnews.com/thread?192709 "In fact Intel never wanted to make high end graphics cards before..."

umm... remember this garbage?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel740

Definitely not the first time they are trying to squeeze into this market. Sounds like they might be a little more intent on making a decent showing this time around though. Fri, 15 Dec 2006 16:56:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (JimBroad) Comments