http://www.osnews.com/story/16693/PC-BSD_1_3_RC1_Released Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2009, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Mon, 09 Nov 2009 11:25:00 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif http://www.osnews.com http://osnews.com/thread?190878 http://osnews.com/thread?190878 Does anyone know if the open-source radeon driver is available for PC-BSD? How about Gnome instead of KDE?

I hope they make it available, PC-BSD looks very promising. Mon, 11 Dec 2006 23:20:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (chocobanana) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?190883 http://osnews.com/thread?190883 I agree. About time for some good news. Mon, 11 Dec 2006 23:27:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (twenex) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?190899 http://osnews.com/thread?190899 Here's some more information on Gnome: http://faqs.pcbsd.org/8_334_en.html Mon, 11 Dec 2006 23:57:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Charles A Landemaine) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?190909 http://osnews.com/thread?190909 From the release notes: "Installer now does not display extended partitions."

What exactly does it mean? I won't be able to install PC-BSD on an extended partition? Tue, 12 Dec 2006 00:09:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Temcat) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?190912 http://osnews.com/thread?190912 It was never able to. PC-BSD being based on FreeBSD where FreeBSD can only install on primary partitions so in turn why show extended partitions if they will only add to the confusion that might already be overwhelming a new user during the install...

This is a smart move in my opinion. Helps to streamline things. Tue, 12 Dec 2006 00:14:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (w00dst0ck) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?190913 http://osnews.com/thread?190913 Exactly, you can only install PC-BSD on primary partitions: http://docs.pcbsd.org/guide/chap2.3.html Tue, 12 Dec 2006 00:14:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Charles A Landemaine) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?190927 http://osnews.com/thread?190927 Just to clear up confusion. The *BSD's create a partition for themselves that has to be a primary and then create slices inside said partition. So, you're still able to chop up your mount points, etc... inside the partition. All in all, it's a bit "cleaner", but I don't know if actually is technically better or worse then the Linux way of partitioning. Tue, 12 Dec 2006 00:42:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (rhavenn) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?190930 http://osnews.com/thread?190930 I wonder why they've never made it possible to put it in an extended partition...having to take up a whole primary partition is a bit limiting, imo. Tue, 12 Dec 2006 00:50:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (twenex) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?191081 http://osnews.com/thread?191081 No, first of all you create the Slice for FreeBSD (called normally Partition in other systems) And then inside of the Slice you create the "Partitions" you want. Tue, 12 Dec 2006 07:18:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Nadow) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?191086 http://osnews.com/thread?191086 No, first of all you create the Slice for FreeBSD (called normally Partition in other systems) And then inside of the Slice you create the "Partitions" you want.

So it's possible to have extended partitions only it's called different? Tue, 12 Dec 2006 07:22:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (netpython) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?191100 http://osnews.com/thread?191100 FreeBSD and NetBSD handle PC disk partitioning differently than each other.

NetBSD uses its own disklabel on all architectures that have disklike devices, and only uses the PC FDISK style partition on PCs.

I believe OpenBSD is also different, but I'm not familiar with its disk layout. Tue, 12 Dec 2006 08:34:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Cloudy) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?191129 http://osnews.com/thread?191129 No. For one thing, FBSD only allows 8 filesystems within the primary partition it uses, whereas I think an extended partition allows something like 63.

For another, it's only possible to have one extended partition per drive afaik, whereas you can have multiple BSD partitions per drive - that is, a freebsd, an openbsd, and a netbsd partition, or two freebsd's and one netbsd, etc.

Thirdly, all OS's on the drive report a *BSD partition as either a BSD primary partition or an unknown partition, not as an extended one. Tue, 12 Dec 2006 11:16:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (twenex) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?191130 http://osnews.com/thread?191130 That suggests that on, say, the Amiga, you need a separate disk with a netbsd disklabel to store netbsd - but i believe this is incorrect.

However, I believe this *is* the case on architectures like vax, built for VMS, which has no concept of separate partitions on a disk. Right? Tue, 12 Dec 2006 11:18:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (twenex) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?191184 http://osnews.com/thread?191184 It's reasonable in my view. All local BSD mount points (/usr, /home, /tmp, /var) go into one slice, so all together they only use up one disk 'partition'.

OTOH, if you want to separate /home, /usr and others on a Linux system you have to use up separate disk partitions. Linux must support extended partitions for practical reasons.

This only limits people who want to multi-boot more than 4 OSes on one disk. Those people will have to either buy another disk or use VMware or similar. Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:28:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (KenJackson) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?191225 http://osnews.com/thread?191225 Exactly! BSD doesn't have to have a partition for each mount point, instead, you have one primary partition and then all your mount points become slices within.

I think the BSD way is a bit cleaner myself, but I have to admit it was confusing to me when I first encountered it. Tue, 12 Dec 2006 18:35:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Bobe) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?191228 http://osnews.com/thread?191228 Yes. I over simplified. thanks for the clarification. Tue, 12 Dec 2006 18:40:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Cloudy) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?191231 http://osnews.com/thread?191231 You're welcome! Tue, 12 Dec 2006 18:43:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (twenex) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?191236 http://osnews.com/thread?191236 It was never able to. PC-BSD being based on FreeBSD where FreeBSD can only install on primary partitions so in turn why show extended partitions if they will only add to the confusion that might already be overwhelming a new user during the install...

So before I install PC-BSD, I have to move my data onto the extended partition on my 2nd drive before installing. It would be nice to install on a ext. partition through a advanced option. Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:03:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Edward) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?191272 http://osnews.com/thread?191272 "Exactly! BSD doesn't have to have a partition for each mount point, instead, you have one primary partition and then all your mount points become slices within."

You're right, but be careful with the terminology. What you call "partition" in DOS is called "slice" in FreeBSD. A slice can hold many paritions (This is the FreeBSD term now!) which are mounted into the root partition (or into another mountpoint).

Exempli gratia:

% mount
/dev/ad0s1a on / (ufs, local)
/dev/ad0s1d on /var (ufs, local, soft-updates)
/dev/ad0s1e on /usr (ufs, local, soft-updates)
/dev/ad0s1f on /home (ufs, local, soft-updates)

Here, ad0 is the first hard disk, ad0s1 is its first partition (DOS) / first slice (FreeBSD). The slice holds the Partitions a (root partition), b (swap), d (system ressources), e (var), and f (home).

Every UFS1/UFS2 capable OS that is installed on the computer, let's say on another disk ad1 or on the same disk on a second slice ad0s2, can have access to these partitions. Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:41:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Doc Pain) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?191330 http://osnews.com/thread?191330 You are entirely correct. Thank you for the clarification. Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:03:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Bobe) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?191353 http://osnews.com/thread?191353 If only we got flash for freebsd, I would be all set. Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:28:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (BSDrama) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?192570 http://osnews.com/thread?192570 wish I was happy with using software that wasn't free... Fri, 15 Dec 2006 10:58:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (deanlinkous) Comments