http://www.osnews.com/story/16734/Mozilla_Betas_Thunderbird_2_0 Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2009, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:19:09 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif http://www.osnews.com http://osnews.com/thread?192831 http://osnews.com/thread?192831 I want the possibility to create my contacts directly to a LDAP server. This feature is so overdue! Fri, 15 Dec 2006 21:43:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Vai777) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?192884 http://osnews.com/thread?192884 One one level I find 'tagging' one of the most obnoxious memes to fall out of the festering chutney-chute of Web 2.0 (in many scenarios its application is just plain pointless), but I'm rather pleased to see it coming to Tbird as I've grown quite fond of it in Gmail.

Now, the question will be: do I sift through my existing mail archive, appropriately tagging a couple of years' worth of messages, or just do them as and when I have occasion to access them in the future?

Looking to the future, will I even bother organising newly-received mail into folders any more? Or will I simply let a dirty big heap sit in my Inbox for all time and let the tags do the work of classification?

I shan't sleep tonight for pondering that one. Fri, 15 Dec 2006 22:16:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Havin_it) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?192894 http://osnews.com/thread?192894 I saw somewhere that this was not going to happen, but I can't exactly tell you where I read it. When I find it, I'll post the link unless someone else can link to it. Fri, 15 Dec 2006 22:24:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (WarpKat) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?192962 http://osnews.com/thread?192962 I'll wait for the RCs to test it, but I look forward to the new features. I've grown to prefer tagging over filing, and smart folders (or whatever the generic name for them are) are a much needed feature.

Assumably, Eudora will be based on this release? I used Eudora for years and am interested to see what they do with/for Tbird Fri, 15 Dec 2006 23:56:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (jtrapp) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?192995 http://osnews.com/thread?192995 I would be really interested in this too, if you can find the link. The Thunderbird address book with address auto-completion in the composition window is so well done, it's just a pity that it's not easier to use it for a shared contacts list. Sat, 16 Dec 2006 01:00:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (sb56637) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?193039 http://osnews.com/thread?193039 Finally! It needs to be able to import from Windows Vista's Windows Mail and Contact store. Sat, 16 Dec 2006 02:40:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Angel Blue01) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?193040 http://osnews.com/thread?193040 When will it integrate a calendar? Sat, 16 Dec 2006 02:46:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (m_yates) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?193047 http://osnews.com/thread?193047 Check out this:
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/lightning/index.html

or Sunbird....

both are beta, but it's a start Sat, 16 Dec 2006 03:11:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (MaritimeSource) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?193063 http://osnews.com/thread?193063 Next step: each email is just another file / database entry and you view it through "saved" emails querry, just like pictures and music files.

For some reason, I sorta like that. Sat, 16 Dec 2006 05:05:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (suslik) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?193112 http://osnews.com/thread?193112 Wouldn't a nice feature in email clients be to make a message rule saying if the attachment is an exe, pif, com, bat etc to just delete it, or move it somewhere.

I've always thought that it would be a great thing to have, yet none of the clients I've used do that.

Just installed it then, it's looking very good, I never used to really like Thunderbird, but I'm definitely going to be changing this release. Sat, 16 Dec 2006 07:31:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Finchwizard) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?193127 http://osnews.com/thread?193127 This isn't the way LDAP directories typically work. They are meant to be read only from the end user's perspective. Sat, 16 Dec 2006 08:13:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (rajj) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?193135 http://osnews.com/thread?193135 "Wouldn't a nice feature in email clients be to make a message rule saying if the attachment is an exe, pif, com, bat etc to just delete it, or move it somewhere."
I suppose you could set up such a rule in Thunderbird - remember though that it is cross-platform. Those of us using operating systems other than Windows probably couldn't care less if an e-mail contains a .pif file - it's considerably less offensive than most other spam. Hence, not a feature I think should be in by default. Sat, 16 Dec 2006 09:41:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Archangel) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?193142 http://osnews.com/thread?193142 IMO Thunderbird is looking a bit like Outlook Express.
I always install it on my friends machines because i dont want them to use outlook. But to be honest it is not my kind of mail client.
I find it said but understanding they dont go more the pmail way... Sat, 16 Dec 2006 10:18:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (whendrik) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?193162 http://osnews.com/thread?193162 Using a database (SQLite?) would no doubt be a nice speed-enhancement. The only thing I don't like about the idea is that corruption would knock over all your mails at once (same as mail clients that store all messages in one big 'spool' file). At least as things stand, I'd only lose one folder at a time.

Mails-as-files would be the ultimate mitigation against that, but query-times could be a bit painful. Also you might find some FS' limits on number of files per directory become a hindrance with a really big archive. Sat, 16 Dec 2006 11:47:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Havin_it) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?193176 http://osnews.com/thread?193176 Do as usual. Save each mail as a file. A .EML-file is nothing but the raw pop3-mail saved as a file with the .EML-extension.

And the file can be indexed. Why such a solution isn't implemented yet is obscure to me. Thunderbird can read EML-files so why not just save the mails as such, instead of using the errorprone mbox-format? Sat, 16 Dec 2006 13:32:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (dylansmrjones) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?193182 http://osnews.com/thread?193182 is it just me, or would anyone else like to have the smtp settings in the account configuration, not separated?

I know its just a minor thing, but i hate to set up a new account and then figure for a few seconds why my mail isn't getting sent... Sat, 16 Dec 2006 14:09:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (jcinacio) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?193223 http://osnews.com/thread?193223 merge the two ideas.

each individual mail is stored as a file, but the files are indexed by a database. Sat, 16 Dec 2006 17:24:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (hobgoblin) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?193272 http://osnews.com/thread?193272 ...welcome to BeOS Sat, 16 Dec 2006 18:25:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (StephenBeDoper) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?193322 http://osnews.com/thread?193322 Thanks for the link...Lightening is an excellent addition to Thunderbird, I was not aware of it. Sat, 16 Dec 2006 19:30:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (jtrapp) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?193422 http://osnews.com/thread?193422 Windows Vista's Windows Mail does this, it stores messages as .eml files and keeps a database that sorts through them but of course you can't write queries by hand. Sat, 16 Dec 2006 23:41:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Angel Blue01) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?193524 http://osnews.com/thread?193524 And the file can be indexed. Why such a solution isn't implemented yet is obscure to me. Thunderbird can read EML-files so why not just save the mails as such, instead of using the errorprone mbox-format?

You can do that, and in fact some unix (server/client) software uses formats like that, but it's several orders of magnitude slower to do it that way. Finding a file in the filesystem is a lot slower than finding the data you need in an already opened file.

I think ReiserFS is designed to change that, but I don't know how much of a difference it makes. Sun, 17 Dec 2006 05:00:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (edwdig) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?193549 http://osnews.com/thread?193549 For Account read POP3/IMAP account - you can set up many. Also, you can specify many SMTP servers. You can specify which SMTP server to use for which Account. You can specify a default SMTP server. Maybe you would be helped by specifying a working default SMTP server? I think your mail will then be sent after setting up a new Account. I think the way this is set up in Thunderbird works well. Sun, 17 Dec 2006 07:11:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (pepa) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?193553 http://osnews.com/thread?193553 ...tagging looks cool. I purchased MailTags for Apple Mail... it has more features than tagging in Thunderbird, but I rarely use the extra features.

Maybe time to try Thunderbird again. Sun, 17 Dec 2006 07:16:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Tuishimi) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?193644 http://osnews.com/thread?193644 It's not that much slower if you have an indexing service

Finding a reference in a DB to a file is much faster than having to search through a lot of big slightly corrupted mbox'es Sun, 17 Dec 2006 15:00:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (dylansmrjones) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?193833 http://osnews.com/thread?193833 While you can't sleep, you might as well tag your messages ). Mon, 18 Dec 2006 10:00:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (jziegler) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?193841 http://osnews.com/thread?193841 I'm still after a Email client that allows me to link one of my email addresses to a particular folder.

So when I'm in that folder (which may be a mailing list or Service like Paypal or eBay) then it will automatically choose the correct email address and signature I want to send the email in.

ATM, I have to remember which folder uses which email address.

Has anyone got an extension for this?

Gemini email client does this feature. But I hate its overly complex layout and it is buggy. Mon, 18 Dec 2006 11:32:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (quatermass) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?193842 http://osnews.com/thread?193842 Wouldn't it be nice if TB contained its own settings within a imap folder?

Then you could install it on a machine, connect to the server and it would use all its settings from the server.

No need for a large local user profile? Mon, 18 Dec 2006 11:36:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (quatermass) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?193878 http://osnews.com/thread?193878 I think you meant "[t]his isn't the way LDAP directories are typically used." Every DSA implementation I'm aware of can be configured to provide space for multiple public and private address books. With proper Access Controls in place, non-sensitive address books can be public and read-only and private address books can be visible only to their owners and the appropriate managerial users, for whom they may or may not be writable.

Given the value of address book information to most organizations it's just silly to allow 3,647 different versions of that information to be squirreled away in as many users' privately-owned data stores. Mon, 18 Dec 2006 15:24:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (converter) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?193894 http://osnews.com/thread?193894 """They are meant to be read only from the end user's perspective."""

There are meant to be *optimized* for reads.

However... in actual practice, they *are* read only from the users' perspective.

IMO, this substantially attenuates LDAP's usefulness. Mon, 18 Dec 2006 17:26:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (sbergman27) Comments