http://www.osnews.com/story/17044/Intel_Open_Source_Drew_Us_to_Solaris Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2009, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Tue, 10 Nov 2009 10:52:58 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif http://www.osnews.com http://osnews.com/thread?205351 http://osnews.com/thread?205351 Recent reports: Seventy-five percent of developers contributing to open-source, two-thirds of all software in the US open-source.

Increasingly, it is the closed-source-or-die crowd that is looking like a bunch of fanatical crusaders.

Microsoft and co. must be getting worried! Wed, 24 Jan 2007 18:49:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (twenex) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?205357 http://osnews.com/thread?205357 Microsoft and co. must be getting worried!

Well, they probably would, except for the fact that their that all these open source projects run on their platform anyway ...

Increasingly, it is the closed-source-or-die crowd that is looking like a bunch of fanatical crusaders

... he said, fanatically. Wed, 24 Jan 2007 19:09:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Rayz) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?205375 http://osnews.com/thread?205375 Opensource project with well recognized corporate backing. One of the oldest, most stable, and still innovative(DTrace, ZFS) platforms.

Not only watch out Windows Server. Watchout Linux and FreeBSD as well. Wed, 24 Jan 2007 19:47:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (lazywally) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?205387 http://osnews.com/thread?205387 Well, they probably would, except for the fact that their that all these open source projects run on their platform anyway

However, the more open-source is used, the more people are likely to switch to open-source platforms. MS should in fact be worried (and they are, considering the amount of astroturfing seen on web forums).

... he said, fanatically.

Ad Hominem attack. -1 point for using a logical fallacy. Wed, 24 Jan 2007 20:03:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (archiesteel) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?205409 http://osnews.com/thread?205409 (and they are, considering the amount of astroturfing seen on web forums).

While I agree that MS is likely scared *hitless over the threat of OSS I don't think they astrosurf to the degree everyone thinks they do.

If anyone posts anything positive about MS or a MS related technology its assumed to be astrosurfing and in almost every case there is no proof at all. Wed, 24 Jan 2007 20:40:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Bit_Rapist) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?205411 http://osnews.com/thread?205411 I take it after reading all this PR gobble de gook
that Sun and Intel plan on releasing Intel open source
networking drivers for OpenSolaris.

---Bob Wed, 24 Jan 2007 20:45:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (palowoda) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?205417 http://osnews.com/thread?205417 Ad Hominem attack. -1 point for using a logical fallacy.

Except he wasn't making an argument. He was making an observation. Fortunately you don't get a -1 since the forum rules don't include mod points for not knowing the difference. Please understand that logical fallacies only apply to arguments and that not everything spoken, written or otherwise communicated are arguments. Wed, 24 Jan 2007 20:49:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (andrewg) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?205418 http://osnews.com/thread?205418 While I agree that MS is likely scared *hitless over the threat of OSS I don't think they astrosurf to the degree everyone thinks they do.

If anyone posts anything positive about MS or a MS related technology its assumed to be astrosurfing and in almost every case there is no proof at all.

Astroturfer!

(j/k) :p Wed, 24 Jan 2007 20:52:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Rinnan) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?205429 http://osnews.com/thread?205429 Absence of proof is not proof of absence. :-)

This is exactly why I thought it was a bad move for MS to try to hire someone to edit Wikipedia, it greatly fuels suspicion of widespread astroturfing on their part. Wed, 24 Jan 2007 21:17:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (archiesteel) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?205430 http://osnews.com/thread?205430 Except he wasn't making an argument. He was making an observation. Fortunately you don't get a -1 since the forum rules don't include mod points for not knowing the difference. Please understand that logical fallacies only apply to arguments and that not everything spoken, written or otherwise communicated are arguments.

I disagree. He was trying to counter the person's argument by implying that it was an emotional statement fueled by fanaticism. It might not have been as eloquent as your own statement, but it was still an argument, which sought to undermine the OP's credibility.

The line isn't so clear-cut between arguments and observation anyway. One could easily argue that an observation can posit an implicit argument with regards to a situation and/or a statement.

I still believe the response was meant as an ad hominem attack on the OP's character, but feel free to disagree.

Oh, and I really don't care about being modded down. I have made so many posts on this site that it takes a lot of modding to affect my Trust rating. Feel free to mod this post, as it is off-topic.Edited 2007-01-24 21:22 Wed, 24 Jan 2007 21:21:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (archiesteel) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?205452 http://osnews.com/thread?205452 I was going to mod the OP +1 for being funny. Wed, 24 Jan 2007 23:21:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (jmcp) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?205470 http://osnews.com/thread?205470 You're right; not everyone who approves of MS is an astroturfer.

However, everyone who has nothing critical to say of MS, always praises MS, and goes all out to put FOSS developers in a bad light probably is an astroturfer.

Besides, I sometimes use the word "astroturfer" in the sense of "fanatically approving user of software X", without the implication that said user is paid to appear so. Thu, 25 Jan 2007 00:47:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (twenex) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?205557 http://osnews.com/thread?205557 More correctly, not fear the opensource, fear openstandards; fear people who move their work online thus making the operating system less and less important.

The problem with Microsoft is this; at the same time of having a vested interest in making sure their platform survives, if they pull off vendor lock in for services, especially services that will end up requiring a new install of IE which will only available for new operating systems, they'll shoot themselves in the foot.

What I hope is that the likes of Adobe, Corel and Quicken, wake up, smell reality and realise that they either port their applications to *NIX or face uncertainty in the future as Microsoft tries to lash about like a wounded animal lashing out at all those close near it. Thu, 25 Jan 2007 06:17:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (kaiwai) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?205559 http://osnews.com/thread?205559 And a scary thought, they've just turned a profit for the last quarter, $126million. I guess now I actually have a possibility of finding a boyfriend, and hell might freeze over soon.

Too bad all that profit will be wasted on something completely useless rather that it being used to invest into third party software vendors to bring desktop/workstation software to Solaris platform. Thu, 25 Jan 2007 06:23:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (kaiwai) Comments