http://www.osnews.com/story/17392/GNOME_2_18_0_RC1_Released Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2009, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Wed, 25 Nov 2009 04:38:11 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif http://www.osnews.com http://osnews.com/thread?217409 http://osnews.com/thread?217409 Since bugs are still being fixed, evidently there's time for Linus' patches to make it in? Anyone know if they will? Wed, 28 Feb 2007 23:00:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (daven) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?217411 http://osnews.com/thread?217411 Remember Torvalds' sneering that his patches probably wouldnt go into mainline? Look what i found in metacity NEWS:
Thanks to Jaap A. Haitsma, Linus Torvalds and Kjartan Maraas
for improvements in this release.

PS: So yes, daven his patches are in. Wed, 28 Feb 2007 23:05:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (maxx_730) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?217417 http://osnews.com/thread?217417 Not all of them.

Linus submitted about 7 patches, where 3 where code cleanups and the rest introduced a new feature. He submitted them after the feature freeze, so these didn't make it for 2.18. They will probably be in 2.20 (see the discussions).

You can follow them on http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408898 (see the "depends on:" line). Wed, 28 Feb 2007 23:16:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (thebluesgnr) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?217422 http://osnews.com/thread?217422 Just the patch that refactored some code in metacity, not the patches who actually add the requested function and the related GUI. Gnome is in features-, UI- and string-freeze now and only tested and absolutely necessary bugfixes can be committed.
The rest will have to wait for the release and then it could be committed in the stable branch for a 2.18.1 release or in the unstable branch for the 2.20 release.

PS. I'm not involved in Gnome, so I'm guessing what the developers could do, I'm not sure that they'll want to add the configurable mouse actions. Wed, 28 Feb 2007 23:26:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (GhePeU) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?217440 http://osnews.com/thread?217440 If Linux doesn't care about Gnomes features then he can use KDE 4ever and be happy.

But it looks like the opposite... Thu, 01 Mar 2007 00:09:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (sledgehammer89) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?217454 http://osnews.com/thread?217454 has linus contributed to kde? just curious. Thu, 01 Mar 2007 01:13:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (mieses) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?217462 http://osnews.com/thread?217462 I quit using Gnome after having apps die all the time with a restart in which it would restart the app and then continue to try to restart it.

After the frustration of this chicanery I basically switched to KDE in which I have not had any of the hard lock ups or apps crashing all over the place.

Just my opinion no insults just my past... Thu, 01 Mar 2007 01:43:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Southern.Pride) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?217469 http://osnews.com/thread?217469 According to this page: http://www.kde.org/people/credits/ , no.

However, also according to that page, the list is far from complete. Thu, 01 Mar 2007 02:41:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (DigitalAxis) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?217484 http://osnews.com/thread?217484 Linus patches were additional features. Because GNOME was under feature freeze and UI freeze at the time not all of them made it in. Particuarly the ones that added UI options to gnome control center.

According to the bug reports [1] these will make it in next cycle.

[1] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408898 Thu, 01 Mar 2007 04:09:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (nzjrs) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?217492 http://osnews.com/thread?217492 over 2.16? Thu, 01 Mar 2007 04:47:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (halfmanhalfamazing) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?217496 http://osnews.com/thread?217496 Only .02 cents worth. Thu, 01 Mar 2007 05:15:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (revmb) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?217500 http://osnews.com/thread?217500 Network Manager
DevTools
DevHelp
Seahorse
Glade-3

http://lwn.net/Articles/218957/ Thu, 01 Mar 2007 05:26:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (abraxas) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?217513 http://osnews.com/thread?217513 no no we all have our ego's linus just needed an excuse to bag out gnome and ostensibly the FSF (stallman really pissed him off)

its what any God-fearing man would do- use any old excuse to bag out gnome Thu, 01 Mar 2007 07:02:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (jango) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?217523 http://osnews.com/thread?217523 Screenshots please Really miss those whats new in gnome pages full of screenshots explaining new and useful things in gnome versions that usually crop up around release time. Thu, 01 Mar 2007 08:14:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (siimo) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?217524 http://osnews.com/thread?217524 Thanks for the update, but what makes you think your past is of the slightest interest or relevance in this particular thread? Thu, 01 Mar 2007 08:16:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Lobotomik) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?217560 http://osnews.com/thread?217560 Yay for network-manager finally being included in mainline GNOME! I've just upgraded to feisty a week ago, but I didn't realize it was part of official GNOME now. network-manager is so much easier than the wireless tool in WinXP SP2. Can anyone tell me what the wireless tools are like in OSX and Vista? Thu, 01 Mar 2007 13:23:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Constantine XVI) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?217561 http://osnews.com/thread?217561 http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointSeventeen/ReleaseNotes Thu, 01 Mar 2007 13:28:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (miscz) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?217565 http://osnews.com/thread?217565 Hi,

I've just read, that MonoDevelop should be part of the next release. Is it true? Why that? Sorry, who is deciding this? Novell employees only? What about Eclipse as part of GNOME? Adapted to work with Java-GNOME.

Sorry, but this annoys me. Mono is not GNOME. Why always want to mix both together? I don't know who, but anyone is trying to make GNOME more and more a Mono based desktop environment. Don't misunderstand me: I fully respect the work of the mono people. It's great work. And I like banshee and other mono based apps. But to make it more and more part of the desktop environment leads to more dependencies, both technical and political.

It's sad to see Novell and all its employees become Mono supporters instead of GNOME fans. You simply have to read planet.gnome.org. Novell employees mostly talk about Mono and .NET. Maybe Miguel and all others have to do this, because Novell wants them to post all this. So it isn't their fault. But I wish that Novell becomes a real GNOME supporter again.

Greetings

Mike Thu, 01 Mar 2007 14:00:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (miketech) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?217568 http://osnews.com/thread?217568 it's been my experience to learn that we should leave God, Jesus, Buddha, and any other religious figure out of the forum posts at osnews.com, there are certainly enough websites that cater to those needs. Thu, 01 Mar 2007 14:11:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (mark_in_rdjbrasil) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?217573 http://osnews.com/thread?217573 Monodevelop (the IDE for developing against Mono) will not ever be a core Gnome component. It is an IDE, not part of the desktop "platform".

Mono and GTK# (and Tomboy IIRC) have been included in the Gnome release cycle since the last release, but it is up to the distributions to decide if they include it or not in their releases. Thu, 01 Mar 2007 14:23:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (JCooper) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?217582 http://osnews.com/thread?217582 I would guess he complains so much about Gnome because he really wants to use Gnome instead of KDE for some reason, but it's just not powerful enough. Otherwise, he'd just stick to KDE and not even bother Gnome. Thu, 01 Mar 2007 15:05:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (alucinor) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?217605 http://osnews.com/thread?217605 Can anyone tell me what the wireless tools are like in OSX and Vista?
In OSX they're better. Sort of like the nm-applet, but with less cluttering, less options and easier to configure. Also, I find Network Manager a bit immature at times. Can't wait for version 7.x, though. Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:00:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Sodki) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?217612 http://osnews.com/thread?217612 Yay for network-manager finally being included in mainline GNOME! I've just upgraded to feisty a week ago, but I didn't realize it was part of official GNOME now. network-manager is so much easier than the wireless tool in WinXP SP2. Can anyone tell me what the wireless tools are like in OSX and Vista?

The network applet in Vista is actually more similar to NetworkManager than the old network applets in XP. There aren't seperate applets anymore for different network interfaces, there is only one. It is ok but I think NetworkManager is easier to use, but that is just the opinion as a full time Linux user. Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:28:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (abraxas) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?217636 http://osnews.com/thread?217636 Personally I prefer network manager to the way it is done in osx. They are quite similar, but after using them for a while on my dual booting macbook I have found I like network manager better.

Compared to osx I find network manager to be better at choosing the correct wireless network. osx seems to be terrible at remembering the correct network to use, especially when there are multiple networks with the same name in different places.

I also like the graphs and icons in the list of wireless networks. It makes it much easier to quickly browse through them.

I have not tried vista yet so I cannot speak about it, but both osx and network manager are much easier to use than the mess that was in xp sp2. Thu, 01 Mar 2007 18:28:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (theorz) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?217701 http://osnews.com/thread?217701 > has linus contributed to kde

hwell, he's not a regular contributor or anything, but he has done things like file bug reports. of course, being linus, he not only filled them out with accuracy and insight (oh, if every bug reporter was a linus =), he also helped come up with the debugging when necessary. i see 6 bugs in our bugzilla from him, in fact. i'm also pretty sure i've seen email from him on kde lists in the past.

he used to track kde from cvs/svn, though i don't know if he still does that or not. wouldn't be surprised =) Thu, 01 Mar 2007 20:53:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (aseigo) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?217725 http://osnews.com/thread?217725 > because he really wants to use Gnome

if you read the email thread, apparently he installed fedora on a machine in its default configuration for his daughter. after that quicky install he now has to deal with gnome when he does something on that computer with/for his daughter.

i'm also sure that like most of us geeks he also like to check things out from time to time and even offer, um, "feedback" =) Thu, 01 Mar 2007 21:14:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (aseigo) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?217756 http://osnews.com/thread?217756 Then why he didn't install KDE for his daughter, maybe he thought KDE would be to geeky for her, or maybe her daughter hates KDE, or maybe she got missed in all the mess konqueror is, be possibilitieas are endles. Thu, 01 Mar 2007 22:03:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Manuma) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?217780 http://osnews.com/thread?217780 I tried Network Manager on Gentoo with a 2200bg wireless radio.

Unfortunately for me NetworkManager did not get along with my WRT54GL and WPA encryption (and I would never touch WEP). It simply wouldn't connect and instead found the nearest unencrypted AP.

I'll stick to my Gentoo wpa_supplicant scripts that get the job done, automatically, connecting to the nearest AP with my priorities set in the scripts. It even comes back right after hibernation/resume due to scripts. Thu, 01 Mar 2007 23:02:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (hechacker1) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?217918 http://osnews.com/thread?217918 :) Who is always rating down my posting? Obviously anyone doesn't accept criticism. The person could write an answer at least.

I now, that Mono has been included in the last release. MonoDevelop shall be part of the DevTools. Maybe it makes sense, maybe not. So let's see, what the future brings.

Greetings Fri, 02 Mar 2007 08:42:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (miketech) Comments