http://www.osnews.com/story/17534/KDE_4_0_Release_Schedule_Finalised Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2009, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Tue, 10 Nov 2009 07:03:16 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif http://www.osnews.com http://osnews.com/thread?223207 http://osnews.com/thread?223207 I am a huge fan-b0i for KDE, but i won't get too excited until KDE 4.1 is released with a more comprehensive list of KDE4 apps making full use of the KDE4 frameworks.

bring it on. Wed, 21 Mar 2007 17:13:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (REMF) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?223216 http://osnews.com/thread?223216 Or will we instead get a somewhat more functional (see the post by REMF above) 4.1 in Kubuntu 8.04 instead?

Must admit that KDE isn't of much interest to me right now. I hope that KDE 4.x will change my mind. :-) Wed, 21 Mar 2007 17:26:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (DevL) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?223277 http://osnews.com/thread?223277 Why not just bump it up a few days and release it on Halloween ? Wed, 21 Mar 2007 18:51:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (WorknMan) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?223279 http://osnews.com/thread?223279 Sweet! Happy times are coming. I've read plenty of new features with KDE 4 that I can't wait to try. Wed, 21 Mar 2007 18:53:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (TaterSalad) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?223283 http://osnews.com/thread?223283 Wouldn't be a bad publicity campaign. They would already know to dress as Konqi to help promote KDE4. They are clever enough to somehow make a catchy slogan to tie KDE in with halloween. Wed, 21 Mar 2007 18:56:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (TaterSalad) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?223287 http://osnews.com/thread?223287 The last I heard Kubuntu 7.10 would have KDE3 in it, and they would release a new Kubuntu (maybe unsupported) as soon as KDE4.0 was released. Then when 8.04 comes out it would be supported. Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:01:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (smitty) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?223303 http://osnews.com/thread?223303 first release of KDE in ages that i've been looking forward to, mostly because it looks usable. Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:21:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (spikeb) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?223308 http://osnews.com/thread?223308 It will be interesting to see how Gnome 2.20.1 and KDE 4 compare to one another since they'll be out at roughly the same time. Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:26:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Best) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?223321 http://osnews.com/thread?223321 Kubuntu often releases updates via additional repositories. Actually the do even have repos with current KDE4 builds. Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:46:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (miscz) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?223330 http://osnews.com/thread?223330 Does anyone know if they are using any of the new graphics features in Qt 4.2? Wed, 21 Mar 2007 20:01:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (tonywob) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?223332 http://osnews.com/thread?223332 i believe QT 4.3 is mandated for KDE4, i don't know if this helps. Wed, 21 Mar 2007 20:07:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (REMF) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?223334 http://osnews.com/thread?223334 Qt 4.2 based:

http://wiki.kde.org/KDE+4+Goals Wed, 21 Mar 2007 20:11:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (tyrione) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?223339 http://osnews.com/thread?223339 They've changed it to require Qt 4.3, largely because of accessibility issues I think. Plus a few bug fixes, etc. Wed, 21 Mar 2007 20:21:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (smitty) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?223340 http://osnews.com/thread?223340 Can't wait. Hopefully this will mean the end of aRTS Wed, 21 Mar 2007 20:22:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (atari05) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?223401 http://osnews.com/thread?223401 i actually dressed up as kandalf for halloween during 2.x releases and my son (a toddler at the time) dressed up as tux. heh. good times. Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:19:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (aseigo) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?223403 http://osnews.com/thread?223403 aRts is already gone as a dependency. it's not even part of trunk/ in svn anymore. phonon is where it's at for kde applications looking to play media, and the bulk of code in svn has already been ported (notable exceptions being kde3 apps in extragear) Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:21:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (aseigo) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?223404 http://osnews.com/thread?223404 accessibility was one issue, yes. there are also some important steps forward in the networking and graphics systems that we need. Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:22:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (aseigo) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?223405 http://osnews.com/thread?223405 note that most (and eventually all) our development related information is being moved to techbase.kde.org. Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:23:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (aseigo) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?223418 http://osnews.com/thread?223418 ah, and another important bit that i forgot: scripting. qtscript is shipping with 4.3 and will probably have some big implications for us. Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:54:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (aseigo) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?223420 http://osnews.com/thread?223420 All I can say to the devs is a huge THANK YOU! The work you guys do is amazing. Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:55:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (zombie process) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?223436 http://osnews.com/thread?223436 Speaking of 4.3, I just noticed this list of new features:

http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2007/03/21/qt-430-beta-released/

which also links to the official page:

http://www.trolltech.com/products/qt/whatsnew/whatsnew-qt43 Wed, 21 Mar 2007 23:13:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (smitty) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?223456 http://osnews.com/thread?223456 http://dot.kde.org/1174518648/

I think KDE 4 looks amazing Thu, 22 Mar 2007 00:39:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (ubit) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?223466 http://osnews.com/thread?223466 The backend that powers this whole system has seen a lot of work, with more discussion with the GNOME folks on standardizing the mechanism so that applications using this progress reporting will run seamlessly on either desktop.

I like the sound of that. Thu, 22 Mar 2007 01:13:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (DigitalAxis) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?223468 http://osnews.com/thread?223468 KDE 4, being based on a true cross-platform library, will finally allow some of the wonderful KDE programs out there to be ported off of UNIX and onto other platforms... Finally, the non-*nix world will be able to use such awesome programs as Krita, without having to shell out megabucks for a commercial license of Qt 3... Thu, 22 Mar 2007 01:19:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (madcrow) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?223477 http://osnews.com/thread?223477 Can't wait to see and use all those new technologies in action, can't wait to see and use KDE 4 all this will work very hard!Edited 2007-03-22 02:05 Thu, 22 Mar 2007 02:04:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (diego) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?223482 http://osnews.com/thread?223482 Dolphin now has a tree view pane! I knew that if so many people were complaining about this, then it would be included in a hurry. Look what happens when you have a development team that actively seeks continuous feedback and truly cares about giving the users what they want.

This is where we start making that other OS look silly. We can design ambitious new "pillars" for our platform, too. Except we don't drop them in the middle of the cycle, delay the release by a couple years, and release something underwhelming. And when we create new APIs, our applications actually use them when the platform is launched. What a novel concept!

KDE4 is still several months away from its first release and probably over a year away from really hitting its stride, but there's plenty to be excited about. You can tell that the KDE community is excited, and this is the best possible sign when it comes to community projects. The devs know this is gunna kick ass, so they will take pride in their work and pour everything they can into it.

The timing is right and the foundations are solid. This is the free software desktop finally gone right.Edited 2007-03-22 02:26 Thu, 22 Mar 2007 02:18:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (butters) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?223483 http://osnews.com/thread?223483 indeed, kde4 is going to kick asses and rock very hard Thu, 22 Mar 2007 02:27:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (diego) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?223493 http://osnews.com/thread?223493 Linux and KDE 4 are superior to Vista. Linux will be taking Windows market share because of great software like this. Thu, 22 Mar 2007 03:17:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Supreme Dragon) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?223500 http://osnews.com/thread?223500 Lets not go that far. It will take a whole lot more than a nice desktop environment to unseat Microsoft.

But I think KDE 4 is looking good, especially Dolphin (new filemanager?), fonts, and icons. But Im a little disapointed about the theme though; it looks too much like KDE 3.5.x.

I want program windows to look and feel different; not necessarly like Vista or OSX but a change that significant.Edited 2007-03-22 04:09 Thu, 22 Mar 2007 04:08:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Xaero_Vincent) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?223506 http://osnews.com/thread?223506 But Im a little disapointed about the theme though; it looks too much like KDE 3.5.x.

The theme is still in fact the KDE 3.5.x theme (ported, of course). We are waiting for the 4.0 Oxygen Widget style to stabilize before officially merging it into the main branch - just so that if apps are crashing, it's not as a result of the theme crashing. That'd be a PITA to debug

When the new widget style and window decorations get merged into the main tree, my screenshots will be updated to reflect them. I have a policy of only taking my screenshots with the current defaults, to avoid accusations of KDE vapourware should the style not be ready for KDE 4.0 or something similar. It should be ready for 4.0 though , just hedging my bets.

(The prototypes I've seen do look quite original, and quite nice, but are still very much a moving target... I'll write an article about it when it's ready to be shown off... if you can't wait, you can always build it from SVN sources )

Cheers Thu, 22 Mar 2007 04:48:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (troy.unrau) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?223515 http://osnews.com/thread?223515 I'm hoping for a little more visual consistency than has previously been shown. Off the top of my head, such things as the control center being blue even though my desktop is red/brown/whatever, (can colours be picked from the theme, or bitmaps dropped in favour of something else for example?), same thing in K3b. And then dialogs that use graphic elements (like http://static.kdenews.org/dannya/vol13_4x_kuiserver.png), should find the graphical elements from the theme/iconset in use (maybe that one does, I don't know.). I'm just hoping for something harmonious without distro intervention, and maybe there are cleaner solutions. Of course there's always the possibility i'm too picky.

Very much looking forward to KDE4 anyway. Thu, 22 Mar 2007 05:28:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (midwinter) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?223524 http://osnews.com/thread?223524 KDE4 is actually in Ubuntu Feisty's Universe repository. If you want to see what packages are in the repositories, try this:
apt-cache search kde4

This only works if you are using Ubuntu 7.04. Thu, 22 Mar 2007 05:57:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (SEJeff) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?223525 http://osnews.com/thread?223525 KDE4 will indeed be very good. Keep in mind, however, that the main "feature" of KDE4 is that it uses the new QT4. As much as it is hyped, it might actually be a let down to some who think that KDE4 will be the second coming of Jesus.

What will be really interesting is something along the lines of KDE 4.2 once all of the developers are using the real features of QT4 and have a decent understanding.

Some of the features in QT like the vector graphics rendering kick the crap out of (current) Cairo which Carl Worth and the other gnome / freedesktop folk work on.

KDE4 + compiz or beryl will be a much better DE than OS X + Vista compined (in my personal opinion). However, I will stick with gnome for now. Lots of room for fullscreen xterms. Thu, 22 Mar 2007 06:03:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (SEJeff) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?223541 http://osnews.com/thread?223541 KDE4 + compiz or beryl

I think you mean KDE4 with KWin, as you it's better to use a mature full function windowmanger than one created for eyecandy. Specially since KWin will deliver all the bling of compiz/beryl with it's new composite extension.

Getting all the functionality you are used to from KWin in addition to the new GL effects. Think of the fun you can have demonstrating to people, when you combine the Redmond or OpenLook window decoration with wobbly windows :-) Thu, 22 Mar 2007 09:27:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Morty) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?223547 http://osnews.com/thread?223547 For Amarok 2.0 at least, we are experimenting with a new context view based on a Qt QGraphicView. This has the potential to allow some really nice 2d effects. Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:09:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Freespirit) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?223557 http://osnews.com/thread?223557 Apple TV on sale in US this week


Apple TV connects to a TV via an HDMI port or component video and audio ports. Its built-in superfast

802.11 wireless capability syncs users' iTunes libraries from any Mac or PC in the house. The device comes

with a remote control that lets users watch movies or TV shows bought from Apple's iTunes store or view

photo slide shows or listen to music. This is Apple's first foray into consumers' living rooms, and many

other products extending that reach are waiting in the pipeline, according to sources.
http://www.appletvconverter.net Thu, 22 Mar 2007 12:04:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (josephclark) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?223758 http://osnews.com/thread?223758 "i actually dressed up as kandalf... "

Who's kandalf? Thu, 22 Mar 2007 18:50:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (jstead1) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?223778 http://osnews.com/thread?223778 Who's kandalf?

In KDE 2 the tip of day, was called "Kandalf's Useful Tips" containing a picture of a friendly wizard. The image was also used in wizard style dialogs.

http://www.kde.org/screenshots/images/large/kde2final_1.jpg

KDE hacker Ralf Nolden also used the name for a period, in his blog and I think on IRC and mail. From his writings aseigo sometimes sounds like a odd character, but I don't think he dressed up as Ralf :-)Edited 2007-03-22 19:14 Thu, 22 Mar 2007 19:13:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Morty) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?223801 http://osnews.com/thread?223801 KDE4 + compiz or beryl will be a much better DE than OS X + Vista compined (in my personal opinion).

I suppose you're not well-versed in Leopard, eh? What is it with making unsubstantiated claims and then including an out by stating it is just your personal opinion?

No. KDE4+compiz or +beryl will not be a better DE experience than OS X. OS X will be 10.5 before KDE 4 is out and KDE 4 as it stands isn't competing against OS X, but Vista/XP. Thu, 22 Mar 2007 20:04:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (tyrione) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?223937 http://osnews.com/thread?223937 Gnome 2.20 will likely not be near as radical a change as KDE4.0 will be, since Gnome is just a point release. Fri, 23 Mar 2007 11:23:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Constantine XVI) Comments