OSNews: http://www.osnews.com/story/17725/PC-BSD_Announces_Redistribution_Agreement_with_Adobe Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2013, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Wed, 19 Jun 2013 18:04:52 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif OSNews.com http://www.osnews.com nice http://www.osnews.com/thread?232041 http://www.osnews.com/thread?232041 pc-bsd is on a roll! its nice to see the distro not as concernd about everything being open source so much as it just wants the whole package to work out the door. keep up the good work Wed, 18 Apr 2007 19:50:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (poundsmack) Comments wow! http://www.osnews.com/thread?232042 http://www.osnews.com/thread?232042 wow that's amazing!
That's a big step forward for PC-BSD which aims to be a multimedial user friendly OS! Wed, 18 Apr 2007 19:53:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (SK8T) Comments native Flash http://www.osnews.com/thread?232043 http://www.osnews.com/thread?232043 This is nice for PC-BSD, but I really wish Adobe would release a native Flash plugin for the *BSDs in general. Wed, 18 Apr 2007 19:56:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (jackson) Comments Sweet! http://www.osnews.com/thread?232045 http://www.osnews.com/thread?232045 Now please, PLEASE include an installar that automatically configures a dual-boot machine, a lá Ubuntu!Edited 2007-04-18 20:00 Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:00:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (BSDrama) Comments RE: Sweet! http://www.osnews.com/thread?232047 http://www.osnews.com/thread?232047 Isn't that the truth, I've never had a harder time getting a dual boot system going then with PCBSD. I barely got one going now with Feisty and PCBSD, and only because Grub rocks so much it'll boot just about anything Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:05:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Devilotx) Comments RE: native Flash http://www.osnews.com/thread?232050 http://www.osnews.com/thread?232050 Is that even possible? For every BSD?

Perhaps by open-sourcing the whole crap, but that's probably beyond reality....Edited 2007-04-18 20:15 Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:15:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (vegai) Comments RE[2]: Sweet! http://www.osnews.com/thread?232055 http://www.osnews.com/thread?232055 I barely got one going now with Feisty and PCBSD, and only because Grub rocks so much it'll boot just about anything

I had nothing but troubles dualbooting anything with GRUB. FreeBSD bootloader does not need any configuration- it can boot Windows XP, Vista, Solaris, Linux, FreeBSD and Other BSDs without any problem. All problems Linux users encounter is due to nonstandard disk layout(ala MS-DOS primary+extended mess)- admit that 3 primary and 6 extended partitions is lame. FreeBSD/PC-BSD needs only ONE PRIMARY PARTITION(slice in FreeBSD terminology) and all other partitions are created inside that one. Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:27:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (antik) Comments What Flash Version? http://www.osnews.com/thread?232059 http://www.osnews.com/thread?232059 I know flash 7 is pretty stable on BSD, but flash 9 is a pain. If they can get the latest version of flash stable that would be great. Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:34:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Carnevill) Comments Excellent! http://www.osnews.com/thread?232060 http://www.osnews.com/thread?232060 Congrats to the PC-BSD team! Its great to see that they are making progress towards an easy to use multimedia OS. I tried PC-BSD a while back and didn't find it quite ready for prime-time yet, but I'll be giving it another shot as soon as I get the chance. Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:38:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (bulio) Comments RE[2]: native Flash http://www.osnews.com/thread?232062 http://www.osnews.com/thread?232062 Sure, it's possible. There are really only 3 major BSDs: Free, Open, and Net. And if you really want cover 99.99% of the BSD market, add in Dragonfly. I would think there would be a way to release a plugin that runs on all those BSDs.

If not, just release it for FreeBSD, since that appears to have the largest userbase. I'm sure some enterprising souls in the other BSD camps could figure out a way to get a FreeBSD Flash plugin to work on their operating systems.

So: Adobe could create a single Flash plugin that works on these BSD's, or just release one for FreeBSD. Either one would be nice. Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:41:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (jackson) Comments RE: Sweet! http://www.osnews.com/thread?232067 http://www.osnews.com/thread?232067 I managed to get PC-BSD dual booting no problem. Though I had a partition all ready to go. Automatic would be great but I really don't mind going through the minimual effort of telling the install which partition it needs to use. Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:58:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (vimh) Comments mixed feelings http://www.osnews.com/thread?232070 http://www.osnews.com/thread?232070 May be good news for PCBSD but for the opensource community in general, its not great news.

What we need is a native BSD Flash and as much attention to Flash for F/OSS OS's as they award for Windows/Mac. Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:11:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (lazywally) Comments RE: mixed feelings http://www.osnews.com/thread?232072 http://www.osnews.com/thread?232072 It's better than nothing, it's one more step ahead ;)
We can imagine these tiny steps drive more folks to open-source systems, and more attention from Adobe considering these more and more interesting from a market stand point.

Strong market demand is the only argument they hear. Remember, they weren't even going to support Linux and that entire team consists of 4 people (one of them being management). Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:19:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Charles A Landemaine) Comments RE: Sweet! http://www.osnews.com/thread?232079 http://www.osnews.com/thread?232079 If you install PCBSD after Ubuntu AND install bsd boot loader, it will boot any OS which is on any primary partition.
if you install Ubuntu after PCBSD and install grub, you will have to discover magic of google (or yahoo or gentoo wiki).

Thing is , its not the pcbsd that aint 'ubuntu-friendly'. It is Ubuntu, which aint 'bsd-friendly'. Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:47:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (mefisto) Comments RE: native Flash http://www.osnews.com/thread?232081 http://www.osnews.com/thread?232081 This is nice for PC-BSD, but I really wish Adobe would release a native Flash plugin for the *BSDs in general.

Why?

There's nothing wrong the the *BSDs linux compatibility layer. This is what it is for, to run the binary only junk that is targeted at Linux (which is has a much bigger *audience than the BSDs combined I'm afraid).

Its not like there is a noticable performance hit by using it. If you have an example of why a "native binary" would be useful, I'd like to hear it. Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:50:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (openwookie) Comments Dont see the point http://www.osnews.com/thread?232084 http://www.osnews.com/thread?232084 Since you can download the plugin in firefox in seconds, even in Windows you have to. Seems to me they got half the cake and ate it. Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:54:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (SlackerJack) Comments RE[3]: Sweet! http://www.osnews.com/thread?232085 http://www.osnews.com/thread?232085 My advice to everyone is to get Gag. Gag just works. You just need to create a floppy disc from which you will install GAG on your system. After that, you don't need to read any instructions, just browse through the menus and setup what you need. Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:57:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (trenchsol) Comments RE[2]: native Flash http://www.osnews.com/thread?232088 http://www.osnews.com/thread?232088 Then this means that all you'll ever get is the linux compatibility layer, the term 'layer' may answer your question why. Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:59:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (SlackerJack) Comments if BSD was Linux..... http://www.osnews.com/thread?232091 http://www.osnews.com/thread?232091 If BSD was Linux, iX systems would have been called traitors for this. Fortunately BSD is not Linux. Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:11:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (trenchsol) Comments RE: Dont see the point http://www.osnews.com/thread?232092 http://www.osnews.com/thread?232092 Not everybody uses Firefox (I don't). And this functionality doesn't work on Firefox in PC-BSD. If you click "Download plugin" it tried searching and returns an error message saying it wasn't able to download the plugin. Everything working out of the box is better than having to download and install stuff separately. Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:11:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Charles A Landemaine) Comments RE[2]: Dont see the point http://www.osnews.com/thread?232095 http://www.osnews.com/thread?232095 Thats because BSD is not supported, if they forced Adobe to do a native one it would. The fact is that people will have to download plugins anyway for media ans no OS does that out of the box.

If media used a format that every OS can use i.e OGG is free then it would be great but flash out the box is hardly ground breaking. Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:20:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (SlackerJack) Comments RE: if BSD was Linux..... http://www.osnews.com/thread?232097 http://www.osnews.com/thread?232097 That why BSD is free and open software licence, when GPLed softs has opened only source code ;]Edited 2007-04-18 22:30 Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:30:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (mefisto) Comments RE[2]: native Flash http://www.osnews.com/thread?232124 http://www.osnews.com/thread?232124 If you have an example of why a "native binary" would be useful, I'd like to hear it.

Many:

- Better support for sound
- More stability
- Less memory and CPU usage
- Less space usage on the CD-ROM
- No hack found on the web to have browsers work seemlessly with the plugin

Using the Linux Compat is no fun at all. Wed, 18 Apr 2007 23:47:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Joe User) Comments RE[2]: native Flash http://www.osnews.com/thread?232133 http://www.osnews.com/thread?232133 Why? Are you serious? Because using Flash with the Linux compatibility layer, frankly, sucks. It's a hack. The Flash Plugin 7 works ok with Opera, but frequently crashes with Firefox and other browsers. And Flash 9 doesn't really work at all on any browser. Just cruise over to bsdforums.org and check out the many posts about Flash problems. Thu, 19 Apr 2007 00:51:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (jackson) Comments Also applies to FreeBSD http://www.osnews.com/thread?232135 http://www.osnews.com/thread?232135 In viewing the FreeBSD advocacy list today, I see Matt Olander's post there as well. It turns out this agreement is for PC-BSD and FreeBSD and it covers Flash 7 and 9. Again, nothing native, but maybe this is a step in the right direction.

Here is the start of the thread:

http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-advocacy/2007-April/0031...

Matt mentions Flash 7 and 9 in his second post. Thu, 19 Apr 2007 00:55:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (jackson) Comments RE[2]: native Flash http://www.osnews.com/thread?232136 http://www.osnews.com/thread?232136 Most people don't like the thought intalling half of a Linux system just because of a Flash plugin. Thu, 19 Apr 2007 01:04:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Oliver) Comments RE: if BSD was Linux..... http://www.osnews.com/thread?232137 http://www.osnews.com/thread?232137 Yes of course, but we don't have any religion to worship in BSD. So faith is for Linux and therefore critics too.
Ehm and by the way, you can get in Debian too with non-free sources from Debian itself or in ArchLinux. You should really do your homework. Thu, 19 Apr 2007 01:08:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Oliver) Comments RE[3]: native Flash http://www.osnews.com/thread?232162 http://www.osnews.com/thread?232162
Sure, it's possible. There are really only 3 major BSDs: Free, Open, and Net. And if you really want cover 99.99% of the BSD market, add in Dragonfly. I would think there would be a way to release a plugin that runs on all those BSDs.


A better way would be to write the flash plugin using Java, so then it is truely compatible cross platform - one code base, many targets, its just a matter of bundling the plugin in the right packager. Thu, 19 Apr 2007 03:57:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (kaiwai) Comments Nice http://www.osnews.com/thread?232209 http://www.osnews.com/thread?232209 In about a year, PC-BSD coupled with a stable version of KDE 4 (say 4.1 or so) should be a really nice desktop. Thu, 19 Apr 2007 12:59:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (DevL) Comments That's great http://www.osnews.com/thread?232265 http://www.osnews.com/thread?232265 This is great news but don't get soft about continuing the pressure on the big companies for native software.

Go PC-BSD! Thu, 19 Apr 2007 18:14:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (nullpt) Comments why? http://www.osnews.com/thread?232976 http://www.osnews.com/thread?232976 why not just use GNU instead of some BSD? Sun, 22 Apr 2007 20:42:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (graigsmith) Comments Waiting for Flash 9.0 for FreeBSD http://www.osnews.com/thread?233365 http://www.osnews.com/thread?233365 Thank you PCBSD and Adobe, I'm waiting for native Flash Player 9.0 ported to FreeBSD too ;) Tue, 24 Apr 2007 06:54:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Arabian) Comments