http://www.osnews.com/story/17806/ Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2012, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:35:18 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif http://www.osnews.com http://www.osnews.com/thread?235767 http://www.osnews.com/thread?235767 If you are gonna use Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Internet Explorer, just use Windows.

I can understand using Internet Explorer for testing.

But it would've been better to show GIMP and Bluefish and other similar tools. Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:36:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (lazywally) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread?235769 http://www.osnews.com/thread?235769 Yes, you could use GIMP and Bluefish, as explained in the article, but I wanted to change, just to give more choice, and some people prefer Photoshop and Dreamweaver (or are more familiar with them).

For the record, some of the aforementioned PBIs are not on PBIDir but are on this third-party repository: http://www.pbis.in Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:41:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Charles A Landemaine) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread?235770 http://www.osnews.com/thread?235770 Are these PBIs legal? I don't particularly care for OSnews becoming a bastion of software piracy. Especially at the expense of free software.Edited 2007-04-30 18:48 Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:44:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (atezun) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread?235772 http://www.osnews.com/thread?235772 The article shows that *nix can be used for web development, the problem with the article is that we already know that!

Granted, the article is coming from the point of view that you can simply 'click' to get what you need, as you would with windows ...

However ...

Any true web developer knows that applications such as Dreamweaver are not necessary - for accessible web sites, the current version of Dreamweaver is useful for project management, however, a developer would spend the bulk of time creating and editing source code.

In addition, distributions such as Ubuntu offer far more flexibility and a far easier route.

Apache, PHP & Mysql can be installed via GUI package management, giving a 'proper' development platform - heck, you can install a robust AMP server in your lunchtime! (Or, if your a web dev, you SHOULD be able to..)

The way I see it, a web dev worth thier salt, should be comfortable with terminal as a matter of course and should never have to rely on a GUI interface alone.

If you can't directly edit Apache config files, or code CSS/XHTML/PHP in a text editor ...

... stick with windows.Edited 2007-04-30 18:51 Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:48:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (bb_matt) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread?235773 http://www.osnews.com/thread?235773 If you are gonna use Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Internet Explorer, just use Windows.

Why?

What if you need a few apps but you don't like windows? You're supposed to convert to some gnu-only freak and run Gimp? Because...? Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:50:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (bubbayank) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread?235774 http://www.osnews.com/thread?235774 Are they using wine to emulate all those Windows apps on PC-BSD ? Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:52:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (vinnyduke) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread?235776 http://www.osnews.com/thread?235776 PC-BSD has really matured. I think it is a very interesting OS due to its polished exterior combined with a technically sophisticated back-end. It very much reminds me (don't shoot me) of a Free OSX. Less-technical users will love the ease of installing software. More-techinical users will love the FreeBSD core, including the voluminous Ports system. I'm not ready to give it my main machine (Ubuntu), but I'm seriously considering giving it a spot on my seond-line machine. Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:57:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (fretinator) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread?235777 http://www.osnews.com/thread?235777 If you can't directly edit Apache config files, or code CSS/XHTML/PHP in a text editor ...

... stick with windows.

Yeah, who cares about system stability, security and reliability! Who cares about testing both Windows/*nix web browsers without rebooting your system or using another PC, who cares about what operating system you like most, who cares...

Look. The fact that someone likes X or Z Windows app doesn't mean that that person likes Windows itself. I for one, like GNU/Linux very much but FOSS image editing software doesn't suit my needs.

Back on topic, I didn't really like the article mostly because you don't need a guide to browse pbidir and download the apps you need, and that's pretty much all the info you get from this article. Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:59:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (merkoth) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread?235780 http://www.osnews.com/thread?235780 You're using Wine, I suppose?

Does these programs run well? Long since I tried Photoshop with Wine, but francly I can't imagine it to be very good. I'd love to be wrong about that, though. Mon, 30 Apr 2007 19:03:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Ringheims Auto) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread?235781 http://www.osnews.com/thread?235781 Noone mentioned, that pcbsd does a really good job on running java apps. I use eclipse (with pde, aptana and radrails) on pcbsd's box, as well as freemind. Thous apps work faster then on my linux box, and ( this must be the reason ) use less memory. I dont have to restart eclipse daily (like in win or linux).

As for testing ... dunno , i use qemu for emulating windows (one image for ie6 , second ie7) and osx. I need browsers to work more ... emm .. natively. And IE6 on bsd is still crashing alot.

Anyway. BSD imo is best thing for a devel. You can compile your own system with minor knowladge. And , from my experience, it was far more easyer to set up mod_ruby on pcbsd's then it was on my linux laptop. Mon, 30 Apr 2007 19:03:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (mefisto) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread?235783 http://www.osnews.com/thread?235783 >>If you are gonna use Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Internet Explorer, just use Windows.

>Why?

Because they're native Windows apps? Because they run much better in Windows? Because it might be more legal than using those obscure PBI's? Because you will have IE to test too?

Not to mention he's also using the really bad non antialiased MS fonts, which look bad in Windows but even worse in Unix.

I really think this is the wrong article for many reasons and I hope that no serious web developer follows it.

You can easily do web development under Linux/BSD, with native tools (and Free). I much prefer it. But if you want to use Photoshop, Dreamweaver and MS fonts, then I really think that Windows is the natural way to go.Edited 2007-04-30 19:25 Mon, 30 Apr 2007 19:09:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Luis) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread?235784 http://www.osnews.com/thread?235784 Yeah, because I want an spy-ware and crapifier infested PC.

Obrigado, Charles. Excellent article. Mon, 30 Apr 2007 19:16:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (BSDrama) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread?235788 http://www.osnews.com/thread?235788 As other have said: The article just says that you can install Windows apps on PCBSD (implicating that wine runs pretty ok and out-of-the-box on PCBSD). Very informative! And by the way: This brings Windows closed-source bloatware (and not web development per se) to the Unix desktop. It's bad enough we have to install IE6 with wine for compatibility checking! Plus on most systems, there is a siginificant performance drop with apps running under wine (in my experience with various Linuces).

Especially web design is best done on and with open and free software. Whereas for normal graphics, GIMP sucks (no deep-paint, no CMYK), it is ideal for web graphics where RGB8 is enough. A link to the more and more usable Krita would also have helped. For me, Dreamweaver and similar apps actually keep me from working efficiently. For someone who calls himself a "web developer", Vim with some browsers for output checking should be enough, because it often HAS TO BE ENOUGH.

Because: I often have to change code on our (Linux) server from a simple console without X forwarding. How shall I do this with Dreamweaver? And considering the "code" Dreamweaver produced when I had to use it some 4 years ago, I doubt one should edit pages by hand which are later to be edited by Dreamweaver again (with all this "begin editable region" and stuff).

On the side: Someone who includes such large, repetitive and uninformative screenshots on a page should rather care about improving his/her web design skills.

But the opening comment says it: "I have always played with web design on my Windows XP workstation" ... "played"? ... aha ...

And also from me the question: Is this repo legal? Otherwise I would recommend quick deletion of the whole article! Mon, 30 Apr 2007 19:21:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (ArchVile) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread?235794 http://www.osnews.com/thread?235794 And also from me the question: Is this repo legal? Otherwise I would recommend quick deletion of the whole article!

In Europe it is :-)

Thank god. Mon, 30 Apr 2007 19:34:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (netpython) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread?235796 http://www.osnews.com/thread?235796 Once you get to know your stuff (coding by hand mainly), anything other than Windows is great. TextMate is just a dream to use and you can spend years learning it as you go along. I'm also in agreement with some others. You can like particular Windows apps, but dislike the OS. Personally, I love to bits Paint Shop Pro X. Photoshop seems retard to me and it's very sad that there is nothing equivilent to PSPX on Mac that isn't Photoshop. (No, GIMP doesn't count in a million years and Pixel is YetAnotherPhotoShop) Mon, 30 Apr 2007 19:43:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Kroc) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread?235797 http://www.osnews.com/thread?235797 This article is not about Web Development on Unix. It seems more like an advertisement for PBI to me. There are some statements that it's really easy to install all those apps and prepare for web development. But... a web developer is usually not a newbie at all. He knows how to Google and to install those apps.

Recently I learned that ie4linux project simplifies installation of MSIE a lot. It can install MSIE 5.0, 5.5 and 6.0, even 7.0 - all concurrent copies on the same Linux desktop! You can also use CrossOver to install Photoshop and Dreamweaver.

I really don't see a good point for this article. The screenshots are some fun, but the title of the article promised me more than that. Mon, 30 Apr 2007 19:44:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (timothyha) Comments