OSNews: http://www.osnews.com/story/18032/First_Alpha_Version_OpenOffice_org_for_Mac_OS_X_Released Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2009, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:18:45 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif OSNews.com http://www.osnews.com Excellent! http://osnews.com/thread?245556 http://osnews.com/thread?245556 NeoOffice is nice, but it uses more CPU and RAM than Parallels, Windows 2000 and Star Office 8 combined.

Can't wait for this to be stable. Tue, 05 Jun 2007 22:58:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (alwayscrashing) Comments It's a start http://osnews.com/thread?245558 http://osnews.com/thread?245558 Well I'm glad that there will finally be an official OpenOffice for Mac that will hopefully keep up with the rest of the platforms when complete. Tue, 05 Jun 2007 23:06:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (bsharitt) Comments Nice http://osnews.com/thread?245559 http://osnews.com/thread?245559 Mac users are not keen on using X11 based apps, so this makes OpenOffice a real alternative for the Mac. Having a cross platform OpenOffice strengthens the possibilities for ODF to become the normal way to store office oriented information. Tue, 05 Jun 2007 23:12:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (unoengborg) Comments What is wrong with NEO-Office http://osnews.com/thread?245588 http://osnews.com/thread?245588 This is nice but...

What is actually wrong with continuing the development of NEO-Office instead of creating a competing fork???

http://www.neooffice.org/neojava/en/index.php

Personally I find that NEO-Office works well enough for my needs already. Wed, 06 Jun 2007 03:11:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (newbee) Comments NeoOffice http://osnews.com/thread?245590 http://osnews.com/thread?245590 I am opposed to Mac pkg's in their current state since there's no built in mechanism to uninstall them. OpenOffice X11 comes to me as a standalone app and that's how it should be. Wed, 06 Jun 2007 03:35:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (gdanko) Comments RE: What is wrong with NEO-Office http://osnews.com/thread?245591 http://osnews.com/thread?245591 Here NeoOffice is the competing fork. The team there has basically refused to work with the "official" team. I'd much prefer an offical version that tracks the Linux and Windows versions more closely. Wed, 06 Jun 2007 03:39:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (bsharitt) Comments RE: NeoOffice http://osnews.com/thread?245600 http://osnews.com/thread?245600 I am opposed to Mac pkg's in their current state since there's no built in mechanism to uninstall them. OpenOffice X11 comes to me as a standalone app and that's how it should be.

Sure, but the uninstall instructions are prety straightforward :
http://neowiki.neooffice.org/index.php/Uninstalling_NeoOffice

And there's always AppZapper ( http://appzapper.com/ ) Wed, 06 Jun 2007 04:34:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Tyr.) Comments alolddy http://osnews.com/thread?245605 http://osnews.com/thread?245605 Thanks for uploading this, it gave me something to read on my lunch break.
--------------------------------------
http://www.zuneconverter.net Wed, 06 Jun 2007 05:32:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (alolddy) Comments RE[2]: NeoOffice http://osnews.com/thread?245610 http://osnews.com/thread?245610 It's not exactly difficult, but then it's not very intuitive since it's not the usual way of deleting an app on the Mac platform. Wed, 06 Jun 2007 06:11:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (evangs) Comments GNUStep? http://osnews.com/thread?245618 http://osnews.com/thread?245618 I wonder if, based on these improvements, OpenOffice.org could be convinced to integrate into the GNUStep desktop?Edited 2007-06-06 08:27 Wed, 06 Jun 2007 08:26:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Pfeifer) Comments RE[3]: NeoOffice http://osnews.com/thread?245619 http://osnews.com/thread?245619 as a mac user myself i hate to say it, but deleting an app on the mac platoform sucks bad. Yes, you can drag it to the recycle bin, but the problem is it only removes part of the application in most cases.

if you want to fully remove an application on a mac, you need a third party app like app-zapper or AppDelete unless you know the darwin underpinnings well. Wed, 06 Jun 2007 08:47:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (re_re) Comments RE: GNUStep? http://osnews.com/thread?245623 http://osnews.com/thread?245623 I think that this Mac OS X port is written for carbon, not cocoa ... so no hope for a compatibility against *Step API.

Anyway, even if it would have been written in Cocoa, fighting with the least common denominator between cocoa and GNUStep would be a waste of time, especially for office apps that needs a lot graphics manipulation (barely to not at all portable) and not only standard widgets (which are highly portable). Wed, 06 Jun 2007 09:29:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (ValiSystem) Comments haley77999 http://osnews.com/thread?245626 http://osnews.com/thread?245626 Interesting, this is cool, nearly made my day. ;)

ipod software
http://www.zuneconverter.net Wed, 06 Jun 2007 09:48:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (haley77999) Comments RE[2]: What is wrong with NEO-Office http://osnews.com/thread?245635 http://osnews.com/thread?245635 Here's a comment from the NeoOffice team about the issue:

http://www.neooffice.org/neojava/en/faq.php#11 Wed, 06 Jun 2007 11:30:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Morin) Comments Leaves me scratching my head... http://osnews.com/thread?245652 http://osnews.com/thread?245652 As a user of NeoOffice; I know the developers have done a fantastic job using limited resources to cover an astonishing amount of ground.

It would have been seriously great if the OOo and NeoOffice folks had found a way of reconciling their differences. If I were within OOo then I would prioritize getting these guys co operating or even on board given the insight and productivity they would bring. Make no mistake: the OOo code base is stupendously big and it must take (even the best) developers a longish while to be understand enough to be productive.

Some folks complain about NeoOffice being slow to load and to some extent they are right. However, show me a full featured Office suite that isn't slow to load. The new iWork might make the grade but the existing one lacks a spreadsheet.

My own sense of OOo (and therefore NeoO) is that the word processor is good and leads the pack. Other areas like spreadsheets need strengthening to reach a comparable standard.

As a NeoOffice user I would prioritize resources going towards strengthening the core of OOo rather than being diverted to an Aqua+Carbon port. Wed, 06 Jun 2007 13:24:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (ameasures) Comments RE[4]: NeoOffice http://osnews.com/thread?245657 http://osnews.com/thread?245657 "as a mac user myself i hate to say it, but deleting an app on the mac platoform sucks bad. Yes, you can drag it to the recycle bin, but the problem is it only removes part of the application in most cases."

If you plan on ever re-installing said app again in the future, dragging to the recycle bin works out great, as upon re-installation, all your settings are intact.

If you prefer a totally clean uninstall, all you have to do is use spotlight to search for the app, and all it's associated pieces/parts will also be located and you can deleted them all from there.

If you don't want that hassle, just pick up the $12 or so AppZapper and let it do the searching for you.

In other words, you have 2 main ways to delete apps from a Mac, one is partial - retaining settings, and one is total, complete removal.

Apples documentation on this sux, but the OS gives you options for deleting apps that that other OS doesn't. Ever 'delete' and application in Windoze only to find all the crap in the registry and files left scattered about? Wed, 06 Jun 2007 13:40:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (tjolley) Comments Toolkit http://osnews.com/thread?245686 http://osnews.com/thread?245686 What toolkit does this port use? It doesnt even remotely look at a mac app. Neo Office uses the mac widget set, this looks like something you would expect from windows 98. Wed, 06 Jun 2007 15:51:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (google_ninja) Comments RE: Leaves me scratching my head... http://osnews.com/thread?245709 http://osnews.com/thread?245709
Some folks complain about NeoOffice being slow to load and to some extent they are right. However, show me a full featured Office suite that isn't slow to load. The new iWork might make the grade but the existing one lacks a spreadsheet.


You know you've got a problem when MS Word 2004 loads faster than NeoOffice writer. Especially given that Word is running on Rosetta and is being emulated. Wed, 06 Jun 2007 17:25:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (evangs) Comments ... I am opposed to Mac pkg's ... http://osnews.com/thread?245722 http://osnews.com/thread?245722 Mac's packages are still a thousand times better than Windows installer/uninstaller. Actually it's the Windows Registry that is the biggest piece of s**t in Windows. It would be much better if Windows installed programs like the Mac does. Wed, 06 Jun 2007 20:26:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Sabon) Comments RE: What is wrong with NEO-Office http://osnews.com/thread?245723 http://osnews.com/thread?245723 "What is actually wrong with continuing the development of NEO-Office instead"

NeoOffice is a Java app. Java is not quite as fast to load. Other than that there is nothing wrong with it.

Note that I have nothing against Java. To be clearer, it if is C#/Mono vs Java I pick Java every time.Edited 2007-06-06 20:44 Wed, 06 Jun 2007 20:28:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Sabon) Comments